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Some of the more recent DDO and DDR varieties on coins for example, the 2015 WDDO-006 Lincoln Shield cent or the 2019 P American Memorial Park DDO (just using those 2 as an example) could those become F.S. designated and recognized by PCGS and NGC? If so how long does something like that have to come to fruition? What are the chances of some of these become recognized? Love to hear everyone's input and maybe some links for more information. Because I have A LOT of double die varieties I have found that are from 1995 to now in LMC, 2009 Lincolns, LSC, ATB Quarters and so on. Some have been designated like the 2004 Lincoln Memorial FS-801. Thanks ahead of time as I'll be jumping in and out on this topic. Photos Below are for reference only.     |
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Quote:@ CaptJeffWorthFL Some of the more recent DDO and DDR varieties on coins for example, the 2015 WDDO-006 Lincoln Shield cent or the 2019 P American Memorial Park DDO (just using those 2 as an example) could those become F.S. designated and recognized by PCGS and NGC? If so how long does something like that have to come to fruition? What are the chances of some of these become recognized? THIS IT IS THE MOST BETTER QUESTION OF ALL THE PROFFESIONALS FORUMS I GOT FROM LONG TIME.FS come from FAVAS and STANTON Jo past away and Favas is 96 years old, very few activity. So hope someone will take the legacy. So those modern named DDR or DDO, IMHO the all community must made a better look. Why? Because we have new technology which do not has nothing to do with the previous. I say this many times. We can not analyze coins after 2000 as the previous coins. We discuss about two different worlds. the reticence and the stubbornness of the peoples reflect on today denominations, and I regret to say: IT IS WRONG. Edited by silviosi
06/15/2023 11:42 pm
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Silviosi I appreciate that. It is a question that has been on my mind for a few years now.
That FS designation means a lot to the coin community and should be carried on by highly respected and knowledgeable people like Dr. Wiles or someone like him. PCGS and NGC and ANACS (being the first) will carry on through time. I never knew that FS were names of 2 people. Learned something new again.
Well hopefully someone takes the reigns and keeps it moving somehow.
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Capt. : is not Dr. Wiles who will do this. Absolut not. Is need peoples as Mike Diamond, Van from PCGS, Mike Ellis, or Tanner, equivalent of Ken Potter, Wexler, Stanton, Herbs. ANACS or ANA can do something if they will move on, I hope. They are other very skilled peoples around, believe me. From this forum maybe TB, has everything for this and young also, is need refresh or older as me with the understand of the timing to made the lines.. Edited by silviosi
06/16/2023 01:22 am
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I think that doubled dies become legit when a well-known and respected numismatists give it a thumbs up. Who the TPGs respect I do not know but would like to know. John1  |
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Now this is a topic to pay attention to, great question posted here.  |
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A designated variety and an "FS" accepted variety are two related but separate topics. The Cherry Pickers Guide (FS#'s) are what the PCGS & NGC have chosen to use to qualify a coin for putting a variety number on the label. ANACS will include variety numbers from various attribution sites (depending on the denomination and series). I'm not sure how the newest version of the CPG picked new varieties to include in their newest book (which supposedly is coming out in the fall 2023). Next, to gain a variety number, the possible new variety would have to be submitted to an accepted authority on the series. Different groups/organizations have a protocol in place to attribute a new variety. Once the new coin has been reviewed and accepted, it will receive a variety number by that group. Hope this helps. Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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I'm not sure how the newest version of the CPG picked new varieties to include in their newest book They had an open email and took reader suggestions. I personally recommended the 2019-P 25c NMI DDO, but it was not selected. They did select 3 of my suggestions (and my photos) though I'm not sure if it is okay to say exactly which ones they are yet. But considering that Fivaz used the 2015-P 25c NE DDR-004 in one of his presentations to promote the book it's probably okay to say that that was one of them. PCGS seems to only go off of CPG for modern coins. NGC recognizes CPG and then some, they choose which varieties to recognize themselves and place their choices on their VarietyPlus page, so they can and have recognized some varieties before they got CPG listed. ANACS goes of off any and all published references, Wexler, cuds-on-coins, you name it, they'll grade and label varieties as they're confirmed and published. But regardless of the TPG, a variety must be confirmed and attributed by some widely accepted expert or group. Wexler, CONECA, VarietyVista, and CopperCoins are some of the key ones for modern varieties. |
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Thanks TAN for the input. I will add IGC and VSS which recognize all the entities you mention. Now CACG move on grading and seem they will recognize also and QC also where Mike Ellis is..
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Thanks for recommending the 2019 NMI Tanman. Still fairly rare I think. I don't believe any graded examples have sold yet so it's kinda hard to get an idea of price. I don't even know what I'd sell a graded one for. It actually crossed my mind earlier before I read this post. Thanks for the insight on how these get recognized
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PCGS (and presumably the other reputable grading services) have separate teams for coin grading and for variety attribution (which is why you have to pay $19 extra to have a variety designation on your slabbed holder). They have to train people how to identify each variety that they recognize, and most varieties, despite being scarce, are not worth the grading fee even in higher grades due to low or nonexistant demand, which is why they do not designate every single variety.
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06/16/2023 5:43 pm
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