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Australian Question, But Not Numismatic

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Greetings, all. Among the other things I collect is military items.

I am interested in trying to locate a piece of Australian army surplus (do you have such a thing?), to wit, a World War II Australian brimmed hat -- the kind with the brim up on one side with a brass badge holding it in place.

I have heard these described under various terms, the most common being "Australian Bush Hat" and "Australian Digger Hat", but with no clear consensus as to which one may be "more right" than the other, if at all.

Does anyone have any idea where I could get such a thing and the likely cost of one?
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 Posted 03/24/2009  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you might have more luck searching for a "Slouch Hat".

I probably have one of the old badges somewhere, but it would probably take me about 2 years to find it. Haven't seen my container with the bits & pieces in it for over 10 years.

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$120 AUD? Wow Aussie milsurps are expensive!
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PERFECT! Thanks, Nancy and Sean!
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You would probably be better off with ebay Australia. Do a search of slouch hat, I just did and prices are much more reasonable.
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Try this site
for information
Hat history


If you need the emu feathers. - I have extra from my hat which I have not used.

Be careful on ebay - you will see some that are not authentic
check the ones being auctioned against the photos and descriptions from the above site or from the Australian War Memorial site or there are a few other sites out there with authentic information.

Feel free to email me if you need any more information
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Slouch Hat

The khaki hat, first adopted into Australian military service in 1885 when it was chosen for the newly-formed Victorian Mounted Rifles, featured a high-domed crown and a narrow brim. The brim was turned up on the right side. The colony of New South Wales adopted a felt hat for its mounted troops. In 1890, local military commandants agreed that all their forces, except the artillery (who wore helmets), should adopt a felt hat. This hat was worn with an indented crown, looped up on the left side and decorated with plumage.The hat was first worn overseas in the South African War.

The Defence Act of 1903 combined the former colonial defence forces into a single Australian army. The hat was now universally turned-up on the left hand side. The most well known of various new embelishments was the emu feather plume worn by the Light Horse.

Further standardisation and changes to embellishments occurred from time to time, with the raising of the 1st AIF in 1914, the reorganisation in 1922 of the Australian Military Forces and the introduction of the voluntary militia force in 1930, 1939 and in postwar years.
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G'day, "Hat, KFF" they were called in the army.
KFF = khaki, fur felt.
There are plenty of cheap imitations, made with wool felt.
The badge was called the "Rising Sun". From the 1960s, only recruits wore this badge. That was replaced by the appropriate Corps or Regimental badge. More recently, the Rising Sun has returned to the side, and the corps badge is at the front. Meaning, nowadays, two badges are worn simultaneously.
The left-hand side is turned up.
The hat has a chinstrap, and a cotton surround, outside the felt, called a "puggaree". Mostly, these were khaki, but the RAN & RAAF had different colours. WW1 hats often had a very basic puggaree. And, the hat was lined with a leather sweat-band.
The hat bore several markings on the inside: size; manufacturer's details, and date.
Genuine examples from WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, etc, command high prices.
In recent years, the left side is usually worn "down", to give better protection from the sun. But, in WW1, the 3rd Division (General MONASH's - see the $100 note of 1996) wore their hats down, or you might say "flat".
The most famous manufacturer of these hats is Akubra, but there were others.
The hats were distinctive, but -
difficult to clean when they got dirty;
difficult to get into the right shape, and required great care to stay that way;
difficult to keep atop the noggin on windy days (which would be EVERY day at Puckapunyal).
And they were a real nuisance when one travelled in a vehicle.

Peter
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 Posted 04/09/2009  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I love their sheer distinctiveness. The first time I became aware of them was way back in the '60s -- the lead character in The Rat Patrol wore one, as you may know.

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For further information, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rat_Patrol


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WpgLwr, Did you end up buying one?
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