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Six Selected Sussex Shillings

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This post started out as a little harmless "camera play," as I'm still trying to figure out how to get the most out of my new iPhone 14 Pro. Looks like my lighting strategies could stand some improvement.

What I've ended up with are two photos that present a half dozen different silver shilling tokens issued 1811-1812 in four different towns and villages located in Sussex.

I'll provide details on each of these tokens in the captions between the two photos, obverse on top.

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Top row, left: Brighton & Chichester, issued by the Phillipson brothers, J.B. and Robert, who operated separate pharmacies in different towns thirty-plus miles apart. (Dalton 1, R.)

Top row, center: Chichester, showing the famous Market Cross, issued by four merchants and tradesmen: a grocer, a tailor, a draper, and a wine dealer. (Dalton 9, RR.)

Top row, right: Chichester, featuring the city arms on a generic castle, issued by Thomas Dally, drapers. (Dalton 10, R.)

Bottom row, left: Chichester, with the same obverse as Dally's but issuer anonymous then and unknown now. (Dalton 11, R.)

Bottom row, center: Shoreham, portraying the (now) 925-year-old St. Mary de Haura church. Issued by the grocers Clayton and Hide, about whom nothing is known...not even their first names! (Dalton 15, RR.)

Bottom row, right: Steyning, depicting a wicker beehive, or skep, often shown on coins and tokens as a symbol of industry, or industriousness. "Issued by Royal License for the Convenience of Trade" by Samuel Gates, an innkeeper, and John Cheeseman, a draper. It's interesting to note that both issuers' names are misspelled on their own token, a degree of sloppiness that [im]perfectly illustrates the "emergency" nature of the token coinage needed so drastically during the Regency Period. (Dalton 17, RR.)


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There are two other silver tokens from Sussex that I've posted in earlier CCF topics. One was a shilling with an agricultural theme from Rowfant, discussed here. The other is a proofy Chichester sixpence, posted just a few weeks ago here.

Best to all!
Tom



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 Posted 06/18/2023  02:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent examples !

I bought an inexpensive guide book for the British toke series in a 2nd hand bookshop, many years ago:
British Tokens and their Values by Seaby, (1984 reprint 2nd edition).
This little book is plenty good enough for my needs, - I am not a specialist in this area of numismatics.
The Shoreham example is illustrated, and has a listed value in EF of £ 125.
I would reason that all of the OP's pictured tokens are relatively scarce, when comparing to the values of the silver tokens that are in my collection.

The other silver tokens pictured by OP are not illustrated in my little book.



I have a
-countermarked on Spanish 8 Reales Bank of England Dollar, VF (value listed at £100),
-BoE 1 1805 One Shilling Sixpence (value listed at VF £ 20),
-BoE Ten Pence, 1805, ( value listed at £ 10),
-BoE Five Pence ( value listed at VF £18).
-countermarked on Spanish 8 reales Bank of Ireland Six Shillings (value listed at VF £125 VF),
-Leicestershire One Shilling: Derby Leicester and Rutland (value listed at £ 20),
and
-two One Shilling Sixpence privately issued silver tokens, also not illustrated in my book.
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daltonista - Really nice silver shillings and tokens you've been posting. I am still looking for a copy of Dalton's book "The silver token-coinage mainly issued between 1811 and 1812" on the cheap. I do have the PDF file though to tide me over. The later silver tokens are an area I have yet to dip my toes into. But it's probably next.
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sel_691 wrote: "I bought an inexpensive guide book for the British toke series in a 2nd hand bookshop, many years ago:
British Tokens and their Values by Seaby..."

This is the one, right?

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Hard to believe it's been almost 40 years since that book came out. In 1985 I managed to buy one new and immediately turned it into a stock book for my 19th-century token collection. Like the even smaller paperback Schwer catalog I used for Conders, this was compact enough at 5x7" for me to bring to shows as a way to avoid what I called "shopping from memory" (that is to say, buying duplicates). Now it's all kept on my iPhone in Microsoft Excel spreadsheets, of course, but back then I never went anywhere without my stock books! Here's a sample spread:
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westcoin, my thanks for your compliments on my tokens! (I do work at it....)

Not sure what your definition of "on the cheap" would be, but there's a good-looking Dalton available on ebay right now, and even less expensive is a Mays (which incorporates a 100% complete Dalton replica) currently on offer at abebooks. I recommend the Mays because it includes the stories behind -- and circumstances beyond -- the tokens and their issuers. Much more like the Dykes book on the Conders, I would imagine.

Happy hunting!


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sel_691, I'm here.

I'm guessing the BOE 18d token in your collection is actually from the 1811-1816 date range, no? If you have ANY 18d bank tokens dated 1805, please post photos! Only BOI tokens -- Ireland -- were issued in 1805, as you listed (but none in that denomination). BOI also issued 5d, 30d, and 6/- tokens in various years between 1804 and 1813.

One of my BOI silver tokens that I'd posted into an earlier CCF forum is pasted in below as an example...just like yours, right?

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Meanwhile, I've been flipping though the old Seaby tokens book you mentioned yesterday. Still amazed at how comprehensive its coverage is of the countermarked dollars of George III's reign! Also loved the totally self-aware editorial comment in the Introduction to the Second Edition (p.5): "If collectors are prepared to overlook some of the shortcomings this catalogue is still to be considered the most useful and compact guide to the series."

Thank you for inspiring me to climb up tp the attic and dig it out of its storage box!



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Daltonista: The 5 pence Irish token is an 1805, not quite as nice as the example as pictured by yourself.

The eighteen pence silver token in my collection is a
Peterborough Bank Token - Cole & Co, for eighteen pence, dated 1811 on the reverse, in aVF condition.

Just checking through various parts of my collection:
- also have a BOE Three Shilling , dated 1812, plain edge, nearly Fine, (note this token was commonly counterfeited in base metals, sometimes silver plated)
and a
- BOE 1S 6D, dated 1811 plain edge, nearly Fine, with a small impact damage.

The book reference I have is as exactly as pictured by yourself
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