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2009-D Birth And Childhood. Delaminate.

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 Posted 06/25/2023  5:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add RobO411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Forgot all about this one.
I thought it could be Pre-cud but probably delaminate.
What would you call it?
It's a proof weighs 3.12g.


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That's what I'm thinking it is.
The split on the rim at both ends was puzzling
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But a "lamination" would be recessed.
The area in question is raised judging by the light reflecting off the coin.

That coupled with the lines crossing the rim makes me think die issue, unless something is on the coin.

It might be a precud which would be odd for a proof cent.

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This it is not planchet problem. Seem to be a precud. we can see the links with the full rim. Is funny the form took. This must be a proof coin.
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Might be a Retained Cud. I know this term is outdated, but I prefer to use it.
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Obviously not a proof coin with the D mm. Does have prooflike qualities though. I vote for a pre Cud.
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Obviously not a proof coin with the D mm. Does have prooflike qualities though. I vote for a pre Cud.


MISTERT has a good point. The Denver strike was 2.5 gr Zinc Cooper plated. Only the proofs was Cooper 3.11 gr. What a heck is happened here?

Do the scale it is precise at 3.12gr?
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Mistake of the OP member. Him put something on the scale without zeroing and give 3.12 gr. and made me thing at proof coins.

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If this coin came from a satin mint set it would also be copper just like the proof version and the weight would be 3.11 grams.
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Sorry I made a mistake. The coin is a Satin Finished one.
When I weigh some coins I put that black paper on the scale so the coin won't set/scrape on the metal. Paper weighs 0.72.
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Nice catch Mister T on both points.

It is a very nice-looking "business strike", most likely from a mint set if the weight is correct.
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But a "lamination" would be recessed.
The area in question is raised judging by the light reflecting off the coin.

I see what you are saying - the area near the rim is higher than the fields.
The light source appears to be from the South and on the devices, the highlight from this light is also on the South side of the devices AND the edge on of this 'anomaly'
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Struck through copper foil
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Thanks everyone for your help.
I'm sure you've figured it out that Jon@makecents was right about me

Sense yesterday I put it in acetone for a good soaking. I did it years ago before putting it away.

Hopefully you can see it better.
It affects the top of the rim also.
Hope you can it running in the (channel/gutter)
Look how it's pulling away from the field. Last picture.
I weighed it without the black paper just to make sure.

Just for information. There were 784,614 uncirculated mint sets produced both Philadelphia and Denver Mints.

I (maybe) promise this is it for this coin.
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