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Ancients On Ebay--Legit?

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 Posted 03/28/2009  6:59 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Look at this seller's assortment of "ancient" coins--legit or fake?

After a cursory glance of their auctions, you might read:

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Including Authentication by the Renowned Expert David R. Sear - Ancient Coin Certifcation Service ( ACCS )


It's authenticated, right? But at the very bottom I read:

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Upon conclusion of the purchase of this coin, it can be submitted within 30 days to ACCS for basic certification to verify authenticity...etc.


I'm no expert, but aside from the blustery promises of authenticity, something's not right here. Perhaps it's the centering...or simply the overall quality of the flan/edge of the coins they offer. Compare one of their Rhodos coins (top) to another sold by a respected dealer--see any difference? A similar look repeats itself on every coin they offer.

Ancients-On-Ebay--Legit?
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 Posted 03/29/2009  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In case anyone's curious--there was detailed discussion elsewhere that suggests every coin this business sells is a fake.
So, despite their assurances of authenticity, "110%" return policy, and high ebay feedback--they simply sell fake Ancients.
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I'd divide the ancient coin sellers on ebay into five categories:
- Genuine sellers of genuine ancient coins.
- Genuine sellers who occasionally slip up and let a fake coin through.
- Clueless people who genuinely don't know whether their coins are fake or not, but are prepared to learn and acknowledge their mistakes.
- Clueless people who, when told their coins are fake, choose to ignore this advice and sell them as genuine anyway.
- Fakemasters who have found ebay to be an excellent avenue for mass-marketing their fakes.

Pick an ancient coin for sale on ebay at random and you might get any one of these catgories of sellers. The first three categories will almost always give a full refund for a fake coin sold by them. Judging from the discussion there on CFDL, this particular seller is either category 4 or category 5.

The folks at CFDL tend to jump on anybody they spot selling a coin they think is fake, but for this specific seller, multiple mentions on the CFDL list is sufficient warning to steer clear of them.

The FORVM fake seller list is another good source of bad sellers.

I'd advise beginners in ancients collecting to steer clear of ebay if they can help it, at least until they know how to avoid the worst scammers.
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Sap,
Thank you--a good breakdown of sellers on ebay, which might equally apply to any coin era. I also like this resource on FORVM.
Btw, I own just 3 ancients, which incidentally I bought from Swamperbob--and I'm otherwise very skeptical of ebay. Even so, I had a bad gut reaction from seeing these coins, which obviously was backed up upon research at CFDL. There were other indicators too, such as the deceptive use of David R. Sear's name and all those endless guarantees and voluminous descriptions, obviously meant to appeal to impulses of the unwary collector.

Then there's the fact these coins are offered at a fraction of what genuine examples would sell for on VCoins.com. Like one of my favorite movie quotations: "Whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt".
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