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Lincoln Proof - Grading Question

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Hello. I realize it's difficult to give a definitive answer just by looking at a photo. However, how will the "patina" on the reverse of this coin affect its grade? Thanks.
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Much better pics of both sides needed - this is useless.



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I won't be able to provide better pics at this time. Here's a photo of the obverse if it's of any use. I was only asking whether conditions on its reverse alone would pose any problems for it being graded.
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Your images are a bit too dark and hiding details. Also this should be in the grading area of the forums - I'll request that it get moved over there.
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Thanks for having this topic moved to the appropriate forum. I thought the reverse pic accurately showed its condition, but- oh well. I will work on getting clearer photos.
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Well, that is a 1936 but it's difficult to tell if it's a proof. If it is proof it might make a straight grade (not impaired).
Colorful toning on older proofs tends to appeal to collectors. Green is the most desirable to me.

If it's a proof congratulations. Anything that detracts from the original appearance of the coin as struck will affect the grade. I can't tell if it is toning or staining but it looks somewhat mottled.
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WOW! That's a 1936 brilliant proof! An amazing coin in ANY condition, mintage of only ~3000 as I recall.

I understand the struggle with your pictures. Proofs are very difficult to image. DO NOTHING TO THIS COIN, no acetone, no nothing. Do not sweat the patina, it looks quite normal for an early proof. I don't need better pictures to tell you to send this off to a TPG for grading. It will be worth the expense.

Pics aren't the best but it looks to be PR-62/63. I might see a touch of cameo on the obverse too, that would be a bonus.

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That is likely a quite valuable coin. with BadThad to just leave it alone as-is and send to your favorite TPG for evaluation.
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I'm still working on getting better photos, but I appreciate the recent comments. I was considering getting it restored by the TPG and then I learned that copper coins don't normally do well being restored. As a result, I was about to send it in simply for grading, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something that others with more experience would see..
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I was considering getting it restored by the TPG and then I learned that copper coins don't normally do well being restored.


I would use NCS and see what they can do. Don't worry, if they don't think they can conserve it, they'll leave it alone. I've seen them perform some magic on copper. GOOD LUCK!
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you can try the following. the key to photos of these is too watch your lighting as glare can be the problem is obscuring the surfaces. the coin does appear to have the highly polished surfaces of a proof.

see if this helps

1. turn off flash
2. place coin on flat surface with indirect natural light. maybe a window sill in a cloudy day. Use a black or white background to avoid any reflective color. you might even prop it up just a tad for a very slight angle to redirect the glare.
3. move phone about 3in from coin
4. zoom in using your fingers until the coin comes into focus and fills the cameras view finder. if your phone has a portrait selection use that and then press and hold on the coin in the view finder to AF lock it
5. hold phone steady. if you cant then place something on either side of the coin (like books) at that distance and lay phone between them. this will hold it steady and allow you to zoom and take the photo without any blurring
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Thank you panzaldi for the helpful hints. I followed most the steps you outlined including titling the camera. I think it provided more depth to the photos. I hope these more readily show the requested details.

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photos are way better. I'm not a proof expert but it sure looks like one. I cant see anything to indicate that coin was polished to get that sheen.

if its confirmed then I would put it in the PF62 range. the satin proof for this year is the more rare bird. to me it would fall into the brilliant category which is valued a good less. if it came back at 63 the value jumps. based on the photos the color looks more BN than RB which also affects value.

one thing to consider hear for slabbing it is that if you dont have a subscription to PCGS (if thats where you intend to go) the minimum is $69 plus the grading charge. I think its like $22 then shipping and insurance both ways. if the coin grades at PF62 you are chewing up a considerable amount of the coins value. if you are planning on selling it. I would consider NGC or sell it raw
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What are you planning on doing with it? It's important to know so we can give better recommendations. I think the coin is just fine as it is, no conservation is needed. It looks exactly how one of these should look.
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It's actually part of a set that together have been in the same holder since 1936. Sequential certification numbers are therefore essential. I didn't want to send them all in to have this one held back for some unforeseen reason. I was advised that the real value is keeping this particular set together.

BTW, thanks jbuck for the welcome.
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