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An almost imperceptible pair of extra curls behind Washington's ear on the obverse of the 2001-P North Carolina State Quarter. As with most Class IX-1 doubles, it is very close to the center of the die. The hub made contact, started to imprint the design, and then the die jolted into the final hubbing position.  |
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Great find!
Errers and Varietys.
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Very nice!  |
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wow! very nice find - you must have young eyes!  I would have missed that . |
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Ha! I wish my eyes were that keen. That image was blown up to an 8" circle on my iPad screen, and I knew exactly where to look. The people who find the original attributions must have remarkable patience. Although I guess most of the State Quarter IX.1 DDO are all in the exact same tiny area around Washington's ear. |
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Good find!
Any evidence of a die clash on the reverse? I've always thought that these NC DDOs have an outside chance of actually being a die clash, but I haven't found enough examples myself to confirm/deny.
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A die clash is certainly within the realm of possibility. The aircraft on the reverse has all kinds of struts and cables in that particular area. I don't see anything that immediately jumps out at me, but the quarter has quite a few circulation hits and wear. But to be fair, I have never seen a die clash in-hand.
As a question, is it possible for a die clash to hit a recessed area of the die like that? The ear is a high point on the coin bust, so on the die it would be incuse relatively far. Would a die clash leave a pretty deep impression on the lower fields? I will say that the quarter looks like a later die state, and there seems to be evidence of heavy polishing on the upper right devices. The letters are extremely shallow there. So it's also possible that there was a die clash at one point, and that little bit behind the ear is all that's left after polishing repairs.
fwiw, I am completely willing to just stick the coin in an envelope and mail it to you. It cost me exactly 25¢, so you can just keep it after analyzing it.
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Time for a Clash Overlay? I'll post one here in just a few. Edit: Here's a Clash Overlay for the North Carolina State Quarter design. The area in question is a good match for the overlay, but I'll leave that for you to figure out. Click on the picture for a larger image ANA ID: 3203813 - CONECA ID: N-5637 Clean a coin that may be worth collecting? Please DON'T! When in doubt, leave it dirty!! 
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08/22/2023 12:45 pm
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  Yokozuna, thanks for the overlay. That helps a lot to visualize where features might be located. I do think it's rather conspicuous that the tangle of raised lines is right in the same area as the ear. Not sure if we can see anything interesting from the typical obverse and reverse images. I will go over the quarter thoroughly with the magnifier this evening, using the overlay as a guide. |
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Oh yeah, noticed something else in that full coin pic. This line is on both examples, another part of the clash?  Quote:
is it possible for a die clash to hit a recessed area of the die like that? The area just below the ear is not recessed on the die, it's actually pretty high relief. This area is usually where you would see light die clash marks on the Statehood Quarters. I appreciate the offer of sending this one to me, I definitely would like to see an example in person that may definitively prove this listing to be a die clash. I have a lot of stuff to work on at the moment though and I worry if this is sent now it may be lost in the shuffle. I'll reach out to you when I get time for these to ask if you still have it! |
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It's been a few weeks, so I am going to give this thread a bump to see if Tanner might want this quarter. =)
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If you're willing to send me it to keep, I would greatly appreciate it! It would useful to have an example in hand to make a determination if these are true DDs or just clashes. Just shoot me an email.
I can't promise when I would be able to do anything with it, there's a lot I have to work on at the moment.
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Got the coin from brand:    Certainly a slightly rotated die clash. Lines match perfectly with the obvious clash marks further down the neck. There are traces of hair curls on the reverse as well, I forgot to photo them before I put away the scope though  . Edited by Tanman2001
09/29/2023 4:59 pm
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  Bought this quarter from ebay last week, and it arrived today. It is in considerably better condition than the one I sent you. Before I cut open the flip and start snapping photos, what exactly does one image when documenting a die clash? I assume the ear and the areas you have already outlined, for starters. |
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Just photo the same area I did and the corresponding area on the reverse. It's pretty rare to see any clash marks outside of the ear/neck/hair area, so I wouldn't worry about anywhere else.
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Ok, I will work on some magnified photos tonight, and also try some sunlit pictures tomorrow.
Why would the clash marks be mostly visible in the central area? On the obverse die, the bust is the deepest feature. Is the assumption that the Mint polishes any obvious clashes from the fields, or is there some other factor at work?
One of the things that I'm trying to wrap my head around, just want to be sure this is right. The raised features on the coin reverse will be incuse on the obverse side? Because the raised coin features are incuse on the working dies, and when they clash, that makes a raised feature on the opposing die, which is then struck incuse on the next coin?
In other words, the airplane struts above are going to be recessed in Washington's bust?
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Posted 08/21/2023 11:30 am
