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2000 P 25c (Ma) Mad Collar Clash

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 Posted 08/30/2023  10:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

Not sure on this one so I'm open to opinions. First it appears that the grooves on the obverse face are showing metal that has been "moved" possibly indicating PSD. Perhaps this scraping occured immediately after the strike while the die was retracting? There is distortion or smearing of the devices on the obverse especially seen on IGWT. This could be related to the MAD/Collar issue but am not sure how a collar clash would cause this. The coin has that "cleaned" look with fine scratches on both sides which I'm assuming is unrelated to the error.


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Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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Looks like a Misaligned Die (MAD) with a Collar Clash and Slide Doubling, on the obverse. https://www.error-ref.com/slide-doubling/
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Thanks E&V, Slide Doubling does fit with what we see here and explains why the collar clash is exaggerated.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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Mike might want to chime in.
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This coin appears to show a misalignment that is a combination of a conventional misalignment and a skidding misalignment. The obverse die was slightly misaligned when it made first contact with the planchet and became increasingly misaligned toward the right as it sank down further into the planchet. This caused the collar clash serrations to be stretched out. After the obverse (hammer) die reached the lowest point of its downstroke, it lurched back in the opposite direction, smearing the design. That's called slide doubling. Naturally, the collar clash occurred when the obverse die was slightly misaligned toward the left.
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Thank you Mike, always grateful for your knowledge.
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 Posted 08/31/2023  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent info and addition to your collection.

(BTW- I think the fourth image is a different coin since it appears to show a ragged clip.)
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Thanks Mike and everyone else for your help with this one. It does look like an interesting sequence of events took place here to create this effect. I picked this coin up because the collar clash was so dramatic and interesting.

P55- I use a piece of card stock with a notch cut out to hold coins while photographing angles like this. That is what you're seeing in that 4th photo. I really like this photo btw because at a glance, it looks like two edges or a 3D edge is popping out on the face of this coin.

"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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Oh yeah. I see the notch now. Thanks.

And also the "3D" effect you mention.
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