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1834 Bust Half

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My guess is that this coin has been cleaned.. though I'm not sure. either way, it's my first bust half.. and I really like her!

thoughts on a grade (or net grade if I'm right and it's been cleaned.)?

thanks!

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I'm going to say F-15 for this coin.
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Small Date, Small Letters, O-112 (R.3). The "funny" seventh star, and the "E" in "E PLURIBUS UNUM" starting all the way to the right of the "D" in "UNITED" are the most obvious characteristics of this variety.

The fields do seem a bit shiny, supporting the idea it's been cleaned, but that could be an artifact of lighting so I can't "officially" endorse the theory. F-15 covers the grade nicely, I think.
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Superdave, thanks for the help on attribution. Is there somewhere I can check out more of these online, or is your information book-based? What do O-112 and R.3 mean?

As far as being cleaned... it really does NOT look cleaned to me in hand, but the darkness around the devices has me suspicious. It almost looks like dark toning to me as well. It does not look so shiny in hand.

I am starting to lean towards not cleaned.
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It's close to VF20 but F15 for sure. The rim ding at 7:00 on the obverse hurts a bit.

Many bust coins have been cleaned. If this coin was cleaned, it looks to be a long time ago and shouldn't be considered a "problem".

Nice!
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Is there somewhere I can check out more of these online, or is your information book-based? What do O-112 and R.3 mean?


Al Overton is the originator of the variety system for Bust Halves. Bust Half die varieties are therefore described with Overton numbers - O-112 in your case, the 12th variety he listed for that year. R.3 is the rarity rating assigned this variety by Overton - advisory only as there ratings were assigned a long time ago and are subject to change as new coins come to light. The higher the number, the more scarce the coin. R.3 doesn't really carry a premium due to scarcity, but they're less common than R.1's and R.2's.

The information is not all available online. I work from my copy of Early Half Dollar Varieties, the reference Overton wrote on the subject, and then back up my attributions by looking at similar coins from Heritage auction results.

Register for free at Heritage (ha.com) yet, to gain access to the most amazing database of high-resolution coin shots from completed auctions that you'll ever see. I make no guarantees about the safety of your wallet once you see what they have to offer, though.
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Superdave, thanks again! Those numbers make sense now.

I am already registered on ha.com... but hadn't thought to use it as a partial variety guide, so thanks for that idea as well!

In other news... I think I am hooked on Bust Halves. I can't keep myself from picking this one up to just look at least a few times a day. :D
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but hadn't thought to use it as a partial variety guide, so thanks for that idea as well!


It's not a perfect system, because not all coins are attributed, but they've got Bust Halves pretty well covered due to their popularity. Just search the Bust Halves category, for instance,


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1834 O-112


...and check "Search Title and Description," and you'll get, in this case, 42 results. It's interesting to note that Heritage has record of only 4 Mint State examples of this variety, going back to 1993, and none since 2000. I suspect in Mint State the O-112 is a major condition rarity.
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F-15 Can't really tell about the cleaning. Seems a little shiny in a few places.
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