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1884 Seated Liberty Half PCGS: Scratchy Coin, Scratchier Slab

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I apologize for the ugly gashes on the plastic (there are 10 on the left obverse, and two smaller ones on the reverse). I think they were done intentionally by a seller at some point to obscure/obfuscate/create plausible doubt about the real scratches on the coin, which are actually typical for this era of the series.

I'd include the True View pics, but as usual, they lie.

What say you?

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I agrree, PR-63.
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Without the slab in hand, the reverse looks scrubbed.
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Proof dies were polished. This was a hallmark proof coins. In the latter 19th century, the mint was experimenting with contrasting the finish of the fields and the devices. This was done by polishing the fields but not the excavated design in the design elements - liberty, eagle, lettering, scrolls . This was easy to do because the fields are the highest surfaces in the die. An abrasive cloth was often used to do the polishing which led to the die polishing lines.

How do we know that the die was polished and not the coin after it was struck? Because the polishing cloth only polished the fields and not the raised design. This is only possible when the die's raised surfaces are polished, not when a cloth is rubbed on the coin.
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Thank you for this clarification and education, numismatic student!
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Great explanation, numismatic student. Late Seated Liberty proofs without die polishing lines are scarcer, grade higher than this coin, and cost a lot more.
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i'll also put her in a PF63 box.
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PF-62 maybe 61.
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PR 62, reverse looks cameo but not sure about the obverse.
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Thank you, informative.
I would not have thought such scratches could come from the die used.
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Here she is ...


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