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aquilacavallo Valued Member United States 84 Posts	Posted 09/18/2023 9:42 pm I posted recently about purchasing some large cash (fakes, nice paperweights) from ebay. In one batch, the dealer threw in an enigmatic freebie with no explanation (please see photo). The ruler's title looks like Jiaqing (1796-1820), but the characters don't look quite right. The reverse looks like a phoenix/dragon design that I've seen on modern replicas. Due to the wear and the characteristics of the surface, I'm guessing it is not a modern fabrication. I can't find anything quite like it on the web or in my reference books. Am I right that it's an old Chinese charm? And is there anything more to be known about it beyond "it's an old Chinese charm"? Editing to mention that it is 24mm in diameter. Edited by aquilacavallo 09/18/2023 9:44 pm Report this Post to the Staff

ifobjects New Member United States 4 Posts	Posted 09/19/2023 10:44 am It is actually a Ming dynasty coin from the Wan Li emperor: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/in...anli&ct=coin with a reverse dot. Probably Hartill 20.142 Nice find! Report this Post to the Staff
aquilacavallo Valued Member United States 84 Posts	Posted 09/19/2023 11:02 am That is great, ifobjects. Thank you for the reply! Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 187950 Posts	Posted 09/19/2023 12:20 pm to the Community, ifobjects! Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16810 Posts	Posted 09/19/2023 6:15 pm The reverse looks like a dragon-and-phoenix design to me, or at least a dragon, so I assume it's a charm rather than an official coin (though in the Ming period, there does seem to have been some blurring of the line between these two classes of items). I'm not seeing any Wan Li Tong Bao dragon charms listed on zeno.ru, so it's not a mass-produced or modern charm. I suppose it could be a genuine Wan Li coin that someone has carefully carved a dragon onto the reverse. The characters "wan li" literally mean "ten thousand years", so it is a fitting inscription for a longevity charm. There was a Ming Dynasty era popular saying, regarding another lucky charm type, that "If a family has a zheng de coin, they will have fortune and honour for ten thousand years". Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
ifobjects New Member United States 4 Posts	Posted 09/20/2023 10:09 am Unfortunately not a Dragon and Phoenix reverse, it is just a raised error from the casting method of production. But I can see what you mean. It also isn't manchu as that only came in with Qing coinage. Report this Post to the Staff
aquilacavallo Valued Member United States 84 Posts	Posted 09/20/2023 1:05 pm Interesting! Thank you all. Report this Post to the Staff
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