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1542-43 4r Mexico 4 Reales Late Series Juan Gutierrez Assayer G

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Some purchases from the Sedwick sale. This coin was produced under Juan Gutierrez, the first assayer of the late series who introduced the type. His appointment spanned two periods 1542-43 and again 1544-1546. Recovered from the "Golden Fleece" shipwreck sunk circa 1550 with all Mexican coins predating Rodrigo Gómez de Santillán (Assayer S), who began his appointment in 1553.
Reference article: https://www.sedwickcoins.com/articl...osyjuana.pdf

1542-43 Mexico City, Mexico, 4 reales, Charles-Joanna, "Late Series," assayer G to right, mintmark M to left (M-G), NGC AU 55 / Golden Fleece (Shipwreck Blue Label). Nesmith-50e type; Cal-127; S-M5; KM-18. 13.35 grams. Very broad flan that extends past the 100% full legends, also choice full inner details, deeply toned but without any corrosion at all. Recovered from: "Golden Fleece wreck," sunk ca. 1550 in the Northern Caribbean.

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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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 Posted 11/05/2023  07:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice run of C&J 4R... well-defined strike here as is typical for assayer G. These Golden Fleece pieces are usually well preserved and smartly conserved, and many (both attributed or "assumed" based on patina) reside in "straight grade" holders.

I assume that the wreck has a pretty close connection to Cuba. Have seen pics of some sort of Cuban museum display with a large grouping of what, from a distance, looks quite like material from that source.
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Beautiful coin!
(Looks like you had some competition).
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Thanks for your kind comments. Had the opportunity to meet Dan Sedwick and his business partner Augi at the Baltimore show. He relayed that his sister Cori was going to publish a reference on the early Charles and Johanna coinage.
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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Wow, that is a real stunner, Numismatic Student!
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Reposting images for this coin which seem to be broken in original post.

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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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Thank you moderator and commentors!
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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Images fixed. I replaced the "e with accent" character with %C3%A9 in URL string.

In the future, avoid using non-standard ASCII characters in the file name.
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