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Been Offered A Gold Tremissis, France. Price Help Please.

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 Posted 11/08/2023  10:27 am Show Profile   Check MetDet71's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add MetDet71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all.
A detecting buddy of mine found this Early Continental gold Tremissis in 2021. After sending it to the Fitzwilliam Museum he has just had it returned to him and now he is wanting to sell it.
I have told him of my interest and we are trying to settle on a price that is fair to both of us.
After a lot of searching on the web we can't seem to find the same thing. Here is the description from the museum :-

State :- Early continental (Merovingian Francia)
584 - 750
Ruler and type :- Merovingian Tremissis, national series.
Mint :- uncertain
Moneyer :- uncertain
Weight :- 1.2 grams
Measures :- 13.2 mm
Comment :- Dronrijp type B, contemporary imitation.


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Any help with a price guide or any other info would be greatly appreciated, Thank you.
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 Posted 11/08/2023  2:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Out of my area of expertise, but presumably this is the type it is imitating: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7716322
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In terms of a buying price, have a look at near equivalent tremissis coins on Vcoins.
Just remember to ignore Numiscorner's prices, -they are way over the market average.

CoinArchives is also a good site for price research:-
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 Posted 11/08/2023  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add samoth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know Merovingian coinage, though I often see them in catalogs (Kunker, &c.).

What's a typical piece like this realize? Are there large differences in valuation/demand for rarities in the series versus more commonly found types?

If nether buyer nor seller can attribute/value by variety, then can you value by general type?

I personally avoid looking at current FPLs or ask prices, and prefer to find what coins actually sell for.
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 Posted 11/09/2023  03:26 am  Show Profile   Check MetDet71's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add MetDet71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your pointers, I am meeting him this afternoon and I will let you know how I get on.
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 Posted 11/09/2023  09:47 am  Show Profile   Check MetDet71's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add MetDet71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got my hands on the little beauty. We ended up at 900 GBP. I think that was cheap as chips for a coin of this type and rarity.
Here are a few new pics of it, taken on my new camera
If anyone can give me any additional information on top of what I already have that would be greatly appreciated, Thank you.

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 Posted 11/09/2023  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add samoth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That seems like a good price (for you) for a Merovingian AV!

I looked up Merovingians in De Wit part 1, and don't see a match. The reference they give for AVs is A. de Belfort, Description Generale des Monnaies Merovingiennes par ordre alphabetique des ateliers, 1892-1895.

I also see a reference in discussion of a Mainz triens to J. Werner, Munzdatierte austrasische Grabfunde, 1935, but it's not in the bibliography of the catalogue.

Grierson also mentions triens in MEC 1. There are nine plates of AVs in this book.
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I found the one "near" example I posted by scrolling through acsearch on the term "Meroving tremis", and focusing on types with a cross and two letters (because I didn''t immediately recognize the obverse as a bust with a rather promient eye .
Dronrijp is a village in Frisia, so my guess would be there was a Merovingian hoard discovery, with the analysis published somewhere, and this is what the Dronrijp reference from the Fitwilliam means?

If that hunch is right, maybe someone can find that reference?
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From my rather meager knowledge on post Roman European tremissis types and pricing.

It would potentially be a 'star' in my collection, and I would be driven into period of intense research to find as much as I could about it.

I am inclined to think £900 seems to be a good price.

The opportunity to acquire such a piece presents rarely, as is the coin itself.

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