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Undated Off Center Indian Head Cent

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Just picked up this undated off center Indian.

It's an early date! The last feather on the headdress is between the I and C of America, so it was minted from 1864 - 1886. Then, I think I see a Shallow N on the reverse. Is that right? Anyone see anything I missed?

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Nice pickup!
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Very nice.
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Looks to be cleaned.
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Seldom seen, congrats!
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I'm actually unclear on this - what years were the shallow N like this one? Was it 69-72?

And yes, this one has definitely been cleaned.
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I saw this one when it listed....

Possible dates are:
1864
1864L
1865
1866
1867
1868
1869
1870
1871 - scarce
1872 - scarce
1877 - really scarce!!
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Nice acquisition, congrats!
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RedRaider - Thanks for those details. I did see, what I think is a die crack at the top of AME. I wonder if there happens to be a Snow variety with that crack. Any thoughts there?
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Shallow N reverses are found on all dates through 1869, then partially on 1870, 1871 and 1872, and then exclusively on regular issue 1877s.
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I went through every single variety from 1864-1872 to match up the die crack I saw in the seller's picture with the diagnostics from indiancentvarieties.

I found a match to the 1865 Fancy 5 Variety 35. Check out the image on the site on the left and the one from the undated off center on the right. Excited to get better pictures when I have it in hand. And of course it figures that I already have an 1865 off center.

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That is some great investigative work....Nice to ID a dateless off centered Indian!
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Well done, I am impressed!
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Awesome! Good work!
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