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1921 P Morgan Dollar Edge Damage.

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I bought a roll of well circulated 21P Morgans, mostly for melt value but like to search for VAMs too. I was going through them, weighing each one and this one came up 26.36. Started looking at it closer and the edge of the coin had been ground out. I've seen a lot of damage on Morgans but this was a first. You can tell that it was done several years ago too. Just thought it odd....


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Certainly an interesting oddity. Nice close up images.
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Perhaps the Morgan was being prepared to become a piece of jewelry.
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-makecents-, perhaps someone ground a groove around it to accommodate a home-made bezel.
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Thanks for checking it out, everyone! Good call on the jewelry/bezel prep, I did not think of that.
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Why bezel prep? Why not ex-bezel?
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In regards to weight, 26.36 grams would be normal for a Morgan dollar in the F to VF range. I think that the jewelry bezel is a likely theory.
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Why bezel prep? Why not ex-bezel?
I was just saying that they were prepping it for the "home-made" bezel that Hondo mentioned. They may have used wire or string to go around the coin in the groove made. A typical bezel wraps around the rim.
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In regards to weight, 26.36 grams would be normal for a Morgan dollar in the F to VF range.
Tolerance is about a tenth of a gram on a Morgan. This, in my opinion, would be light unless it was in or near good condition. I'll put up some full coin shots tomorrow, as I should have to begin with.
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@makecents, Tolerance figures pertain to freshly minted coins. It does not account for weight loss due to wear. In my experience, Morgan dollars worn to the point of grading VF are usually in the 26.5 gram range and worn to F grade they are about 26.25 grams. In grades from MS to XF they seem to retain the 26.73 gram weight
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I understand this and agree to an extent but this much loss, in my experience, is usually a coin graded "good". I took some so so full coin shots tonight. Not the best at grading but would think between fine and extra fine. Sorry I did not put these up to begin with, my bad.


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Interesting. Might have been grounded down or something.
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The reason reeding was added to coins was to make shaved rims easy to identify and prevent theft of metal. Shows up well here!
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Even a common year for Morgan jewelry pieces as well.
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Post mint damage.
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The reason reeding was added to coins was to make shaved rims easy to identify and prevent theft of metal. Shows up well here!
Yes sir, I'm familiar with the reason for reeding and appreciate your input for others.
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