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1921 P Morgan Dollar Edge Damage.

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 Posted 12/10/2023  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Why bezel prep? Why not ex-bezel?
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 Posted 12/10/2023  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list
In regards to weight, 26.36 grams would be normal for a Morgan dollar in the F to VF range. I think that the jewelry bezel is a likely theory.
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 Posted 12/10/2023  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list

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Why bezel prep? Why not ex-bezel?
I was just saying that they were prepping it for the "home-made" bezel that Hondo mentioned. They may have used wire or string to go around the coin in the groove made. A typical bezel wraps around the rim.
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 Posted 12/10/2023  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list

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In regards to weight, 26.36 grams would be normal for a Morgan dollar in the F to VF range.
Tolerance is about a tenth of a gram on a Morgan. This, in my opinion, would be light unless it was in or near good condition. I'll put up some full coin shots tomorrow, as I should have to begin with.
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@makecents, Tolerance figures pertain to freshly minted coins. It does not account for weight loss due to wear. In my experience, Morgan dollars worn to the point of grading VF are usually in the 26.5 gram range and worn to F grade they are about 26.25 grams. In grades from MS to XF they seem to retain the 26.73 gram weight
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 Posted 12/10/2023  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
I understand this and agree to an extent but this much loss, in my experience, is usually a coin graded "good". I took some so so full coin shots tonight. Not the best at grading but would think between fine and extra fine. Sorry I did not put these up to begin with, my bad.


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Interesting. Might have been grounded down or something.
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 Posted 12/10/2023  11:33 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
The reason reeding was added to coins was to make shaved rims easy to identify and prevent theft of metal. Shows up well here!
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 Posted 12/14/2023  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Check robbudo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add robbudo to your friends list
Even a common year for Morgan jewelry pieces as well.
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 Posted 12/14/2023  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Post mint damage.
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The reason reeding was added to coins was to make shaved rims easy to identify and prevent theft of metal. Shows up well here!
Yes sir, I'm familiar with the reason for reeding and appreciate your input for others.
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Even a common year for Morgan jewelry pieces as well.
Typically, the year meant something to the person making jewelry, nothing to do with any rarity.
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Post mint damage.
I thought that was an understood, guess I should have stated this.... PMD
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On the weight issue, I thought some math might be fun. The coin weights 26.36g instead of 26.73g nominal weight. So it is 1.4% light. A Morgan $1 is 38.1mm in diameter and 2.40mm thick. Volume = pi r^2 * h, so the volume of an idealized Morgan $1 is 2736 cubic mm. Therefore if this coin has lost 1.4% of its volume, it's missing 38 cubic mm. The ground-out channel in the rim appears to be about 1mm wide (since the overall thickness is 2.40mm, that seems reasonable). A 1mm height makes the math simpler. It's basically calculating how much smaller a 1mm tall radius 19.05mm cylinder would have to be in order for the volume to be reduced by 38 cubic mm. The answer is 0.32mm. So a 1mm wide channel one-third of a mm deep easily accounts for the weight loss.
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Thanks, kbbpll! Math was my worst subject. growing up.
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