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Hello :) I've made some research however I'm still not sure about below coins, so if You could help me with verification I will be grateful: 1.   As far as I know this is 3 kreutzer coin from Austrian Empire. I couldn't find this particular coat-of-arms. 2.   I know that these are half grosz (polgrosz) from Polish Kingdom. There are slight differences between these coins - especially crown and eagle. I'm not sure about specific moanrchs from Jagiellon dynasty. Alexander? Ladislaus II? John I Albert? 3.   Left coin - 10 Kurus - Abdülhamid II "el- Ghazi" - 1876 + 33 = 1909 but minted in 1907 Right coin - 10 Kurus - Mehmed V "Reshat" - 1909 + 6 = 1915 but minted in 1914 I'm pretty sure about these but please help if I'm correct here. Edited by NumiFan
12/15/2023 02:02 am
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Left coin - 10 Kurus - Abdülhamid II "el- Ghazi" - 1876 + 33 = 1909 but minted in 1907
Right coin - 10 Kurus - Mehmed V "Reshat" - 1909 + 6 = 1915 but minted in 1914
I'm pretty sure about these but please help if I'm correct here. Your maths is out by one year - because 1876 is Year 1, not Year Zero, so you have to add "subtract 1" to the equation. I've always done the calculation in Islamic years (for example, for your first coin,1293 + 33 - 1 = 1325), then convert that final year to the AD calendar (1/1/1325 = 14/2/1907, so most of AH 1325 fell in the year AD 1907). Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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I know that these are half grosz (polgrosz) from Polish Kingdom.
There are slight differences between these coins - especially crown and eagle. I'm not sure about specific moanrchs from Jagiellon dynasty. Alexander? Ladislaus II? John I Albert? The top three must be John Albert (whoever that was, because I don't actually know offhand) from the legend MONETA I ALBERTI on the second pic. [EDIT: Jan I Olbracht (aka John I Albert), 1492-1501, Numista 93689. Judging by the attributions on the Numista page, the right and left coins are Kopicki 387 and the middle coin is Kopicki 386.] The bottom two are in the name of Louis (II) of Hungary and Bohemia; the left coin is an issue of the city of Swidnica (CIVITAS SWIENI) dated 1522, and I think the right coin is probably also from Swidnica and appears to be dated 1521, but I can't quite confirm that for sure. [EDIT: Numista 65413 at least for the left coin and probably for both. This type was a Silesian imitation of the contemporary Polish polgrosz coins.] |
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 The Poland and Swidnica half groats often show up together in lots. |
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Your maths is out by one year - because 1876 is Year 1, not Year Zero, so you have to add "subtract 1" to the equation.
I've always done the calculation in Islamic years (for example, for your first coin,1293 + 33 - 1 = 1325), then convert that final year to the AD calendar (1/1/1325 = 14/2/1907, so most of AH 1325 fell in the year AD 1907). Great, now it's clear why I had counted that incorrectly. Thank You. |
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Quote:Duchy of Palatinate-Zweibrücken, Holy Roman Empire rather than Austria: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces241880.html Thanks! I scanned Numista for another 3 kreutzer from Patatinate-Zweibrucken but this time with RVDOL so I assume that this is Rudolph II - So it's same as for previous coin JOHA - John II + ruling emperor Matthias II. The problem is that I can't find any 3 kreutzer with Rudolph II on Numista... |
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The problem is that I can't find any 3 kreutzer with Rudolph II on Numista... Four of them. For some reason Numista doesn't bother mentioning the emperor in the page title, only the duke. If the coat of arms is shaped the same as in the OP coin, your coin might be Numista 47208. |
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Yes, this is it, thanks so much!
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The top three must be John Albert (whoever that was, because I don't actually know offhand) from the legend MONETA I ALBERTI on the second pic.
[EDIT: Jan I Olbracht (aka John I Albert), 1492-1501, Numista 93689. Judging by the attributions on the Numista page, the right and left coins are Kopicki 387 and the middle coin is Kopicki 386.]
The bottom two are in the name of Louis (II) of Hungary and Bohemia; the left coin is an issue of the city of Swidnica (CIVITAS SWIENI) dated 1522, and I think the right coin is probably also from Swidnica and appears to be dated 1521, but I can't quite confirm that for sure.
[EDIT: Numista 65413 at least for the left coin and probably for both. This type was a Silesian imitation of the contemporary Polish polgrosz coins.] Indeed the second one looks like 1521. Thank You for links, I will explore the topic of 1/2 grosz coins, these are fine as basics. Edited by NumiFan
12/18/2023 1:22 pm
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Could You please help with next muslim coins?   I assume that these are 1/2 zolota 1703 (1704 on Numista)? and 1 zolota 1757 (1758 on Numista?) respectively. I think that there is no 'year of rule' on them, is it correct? I've also noticed that there several variations for 1/2 zolota, according to below lsit found on Numista. What are they? "Ayn, Ayn Dal, Guzel He, Mim, Nun+Ayn, Sad Mim, Ti" Edited by NumiFan
12/19/2023 07:17 am
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I think the zolota has 87 on the reverse, so it was struck in AH1187 instead of AH1171. During this reign they ended the old system of regnal years, and switched to dating with the last two digits like this. It is a known date: https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide...duid-1564977...but not listed in Numista for some reason. Most importantly  , with a silver content of 0.465 (47%), you can contribute to this thread we have going: http://goccf.com/t/456810 Edited by tdziemia
12/19/2023 12:07 pm
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Well I checked again and it's clear 1171.
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@Numifan, yes, at the bottom of the obverse you see 1171. However, on the other side of the coin at about 9:00, you see what looks like two Vs, one inverted. That is 87, for 1187. So 1171 refers to the beginning of this king's reign. And 1187 refers to the year the coin was made. (yes, it's confusing  ) |
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