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1988 P WDDO-002 Lincoln Cent (LDS) https://www.doubleddie.com/448712.htmlFound this one roll searching. This new group of rolls looks promising. Lots of these new rolls only have 5 or so shield cents in them and multiple wheats. I'm usually lucky to get one wheat in a whole brick. I'm thinking these aren't already searched since the first roll even had 2 dimes in it, so it's not likely an eagle eyed collector would have missed the dimes. Anyways, the thickness is strongest on the date and even has some separation on the front of the bust nearest the rim and upper hair bangs. This example has some serious die polishing going on the obverse so I'm wondering if there might have been some obv die damage they were trying to remove.        Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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I don't think so. Let's wait for others input. John1  |
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I didn't look at the Wexler site, but this one is clearly DDO-004. I found one of these about a week ago and recognized it right away from your excellent images.
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Petespockets55, Please check all three sites for a match. I do not think it is 002 but TB thinks it is 004.Let us know after checking all three sites since you have the coin in hand. John1 |
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Hard on this, I will put my own montage for 1988 DDO's with date involved.  |
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Not sure which one it is, but it's a nice DDO.  Errers and Varietys.
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Thank you TB. Excellent job spotting the correct one. (I must have focused too heavily on the date when I found no heavy die abrasions on the reverse like VV and CC images. The obverse die scratches do match DDO-004 http://www.varietyvista.com/09d%20W...8PDDO004.htmWhich crosses to 1DO-005 https://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln...ie_state=mdsThe CC images show remnants of a clash of Lincoln's beard in bays #8 & 9, which must have been the reason for the heavy die polishing on both of their examples. The reverse die on my example must have been changed out. That would explain why the heavy die abrasions are missing on my example. I was sure it was WDDO-003 because of the separation at the base of the bust, an apparent notch in the base of the right leg of the R (TRUST), and the hair like the Wexler images. Neither VV or CC mentions either of these three areas of doubling. Hmmmm ..... I wonder if Wexlers example could be a very early die state, before the clash and all the die abrasion took place. TB, do you know if your example has the additional doubling on the bust, the hair, and the right foot of the R (TRUST)? Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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12/26/2023 6:07 pm
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DDO-004 definitely has doubling across the base of the bust, but it's so heavily abraded that nothing much can be seen elsewhere.
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Nice find! |
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This is really stretching the word doubling. So extremely minor that it's not doubled. It's Just a fat device. My apology for offending anyone but I would not buy,sell,represent trade this as a Doubled Die
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There is no stretching involved. If the die is doubled, it is doubled. Doesn't matter if it's a fraction of a mm on one device or two mm separation on every device. All such coins are, by definition, doubled dies. Which ones people choose to collect, well that is up to individuals as some choose to collect none, while others choose to collect some subset, or all they can find. But usually the doubling has to at least be strong enough to get listed with an attribute before it is much worth keeping.
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... It's Just a fat device. ... It definitely isn't a normal design. And this particular variety does have separation on the tail of the 9, the base of the point of the bust, and the hair in the bangs. How would these devices get "fat" if not from doubling? Single squeeze varieties are a lot more subtle but more readily attainable. Quote:
... My apology for offending anyone but I would not buy,sell,represent trade this as a Doubled Die Personally I'm not offended. In hand this one is easy to spot the separation and thickness on the date. There is absolutely no question in my mind about this one being a DDO. Multiple attributors and sites have designated this a DDO, so it wasn't TMTL (Too MinorToo List). ANACS would put the designation on the slab if it were slabbed. It is your prerogative to create a description as you see fit when you find one but to imply this isn't a Doubled Die by today's standards is misleading to newer collectors that are trying to strengthen and solidify their understanding of varieties. Jasper62, if I may ask, what is your primary era of variety collecting? Modern, classic, or colonial coins, or something else? Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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12/27/2023 1:59 pm
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Gotta love them pregnant 8s.
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Gotta love them pregnant 8s.  Gonna be boys, carrying them as low as they are! (For those not familiar there is an old Wives tale that says: Carrying high, the baby is a girl & Carrying low, the baby is a boy.) Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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