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Are Mint Identifiers On Coins Created On Purpose?

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 Posted 01/11/2024  11:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A recent topic on this site got me thinking about how and why you can identify where a particular coin was minted by way of a very subtle change in it's design. http://goccf.com/t/458338

Pre-decimal coins often used a letter(s) or dot to indicate where a particular coin was struck but not so with our decimal coins.

Do Mints purposely alter a coin's die so that it's origin can be distinguished or is it something that happens by accident? And, if it is done intentionally, then why not simply use something more easily recognisable such as a Mintmark?
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 Posted 01/11/2024  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the 1966 "privy marks" were intentional, deliberate changes from the master die design.

As for "why", well, the government had just spent 4.5 million pounds (9 million dollars) building a brand new state of the art high-produciton-capacity Mint building. Allowing people to easily see just how much of our new coinage wasn't actually being made in Canberra might have had people wondering if building the Mint was worth the cost, if it wasn't up to the job.

Other governments have intentionally hidden foreign mintmarks, for domestic political purposes. The Greeks are probably one of the most parochial nations in Europe. When Greece was very late to the party in qualifying to join the Eurozone, the Greek Mint didn't have the capacity to strike all of Greece's quota of euro coinage in time for the 1st January 2002 launch date. They had to outsource, to Finland, France, and Spain. The mintmarks for these foreign-made coins were tiny letters ("S" for Suomi (Finland), "F" for France, and "E" for Espana (Spain)) hidden inside one of the stars. All these foreign-made Greek coins still bore the Greek Mint's mintmark, as well as the secret foreign mintmark. Hiding the true origin of the coins this way helped assuage negative Greek public sentiment at having to rely on foreign mints for "their" coins.

Which of course raises an obvious question: if the goal was deliberate obfuscation, why deliberately put any marks on there at all? Surely the best camouflage is complete invisibility. I can only assume that desire stemmed form some kind of quality control issue: if foreign-made coins started showing up in circulation below specifications or with significant defects (eg. not working in vending machines properly), then they'd be able to trace the issue back to a source mint to seek reparations.
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Thanks Sap for your take on this.

Meanwhile, I've just come across an article titled Australian 1966 Decimal Coin Mint Marks which states:
https://www.australian-coins.com/au...-mint-marks/

'Due to the large number of coins required for the February 14 1966 changeover to decimal coinage in Australia several mints both here and abroad were used to produce the 1966 cupro nickel and bronze coinage.'

It then goes on to add:

'According to the Controller of the Mint at the time, Jim Henderson:
.... it was intended that all Australian coins would be struck in the Royal Australian Mint after the initial changeover to decimals had been satisfied, it was not considered necessary to distinguish the coins by a specific mark identifying the mint of origin. There are, therefore, no mintmarks, as such, on the decimal coins.'


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