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Probus - Alexandria - Eagle

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 Posted 02/03/2024  04:48 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have been collecting Probus coins for over 20 years and one of my sub-collections is his coinage from Alexandria. I have not added a new coin to this sub-collection for a few years as I seem to be chasing coins that only come onto the market quite rarely and with some, when they do come on the market the feeding frenzy around them makes them to prohibitively expensive for me to get it when it is offered.

All that being said I have just added a coin to this sub-collection.

Probus, Billon tetradrachm

Obv:- A K M AVP PROBOC CEB, Laureate, cuirassed bust right
Rev:- None, Eagle standing right, head left wreath in beak
Minted in Alexandria Egypt. (L | D) Year 4. A.D. 278-279
Reference(s) - Milne -. Emmett 3983(4) - Curtis -. BMC -. Köln -; Dattari -. All unlisted for this regnal year. This reverse type is listed in the refences for years 1, 2 and 5)

6.73 gms, 19.37 mm. 0 degrees

This is one of the five (5) eagle reverse types known for Probus.

Probus---Alexandria---Eagle

The type is not scarce but is apparently not published for this regnal year.

Not eanting to take the appearance of an unpublished regnal year at face value I have been discussing this coin with someone (I am not sure that I am free to name them here and thus I will not) and the following challenges to this coin have been gone through.

Year 1 coins are in general much scarcer than most later coins due to the short duration of the regnal year. It not not unknown for later coins to be tooled to make them appear to come from year 1. Cound this be the converse where a year 1 coin has had the regnal year modified to create an unpublished regnal year.

To challenge this I provided a more detailed image of the year. This allows inspection of the regnal year in more detail. The serifs are clearly visible on the corners of the Delta and there are flowlines in the fields which give the best indication that these areas have not been modified.

Probus---Alexandria---Eagle

The next challenge is more difficult to challenge. The bust is quite large compared to others in this issue and is more consistent with earlier years. The best way to progress this is to perform a die analysis and find an obverse die match to as many examples as possible to see what regnal years the obverse die turns up for. This would then allow some further analysis to occur to answer some questions. During what regnal years were this obverse die use? Are there other examples of this die in Year 4? If the die is used across regnal years then are there other examples of an obverse die being used across regnal years for this period?

Thus far I have not made any progress as I have not been able to find any obverse die matches. I will continue this activity.

As such there is no reason to doubt that it ia what it appears to be, which is an unpublished regnal year for the type.

Just for comparison here are my examples of Years 1, 2 and 5.

Year 1 is very much like an Aurelian portrait

Probus---Alexandria---Eagle

Year 2 - (needs a new photo)

Probus---Alexandria---Eagle

Year 5 (also needs a new photo)

Probus---Alexandria---Eagle

The other eagle reverse types are:-

Emmett 3981 - Eagle standing right, palm on wing, wreath in beak

Probus---Alexandria---Eagle

Emmett 3982 - Eagle standing right, head right, wings spread, wreath in beak

Probus---Alexandria---Eagle

Emmett 3984 - Eagle standing left, head turned right, wreath in beak

Probus---Alexandria---Eagle

Emmett 3985 - Eagle standing facing left, head right, with wreath in beak

Probus---Alexandria---Eagle

Regards,

Martin
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 Posted 02/03/2024  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I don't have any Probus coins but I do have a few from Alexandria.
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 Posted 02/03/2024  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As usual, a great analysis by Maridunum. Compared to the non-provincial issues, I think these are much harder to find in decent shape, and you've got quite a nice collection of them.



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 Posted 02/04/2024  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been lucky enough to obtain quite a few Probus, Alexandrian coins over the years. Keith Emmett was gracious enough to offer me a few when he was selling some off a few years back

Ex-Amphora coins October 1979
Ex-Keith Emmett Collection.
Probus---Alexandria---Eagle

Described by Col. Curtis as "Very Rare" on his 2x2 coin holder, which still accompanies the coin.
Ex-Col. James W. Curtis Collection.
Ex-Olympus #5 catalogue (December 1982)
Ex-Keith Emmett Collection.
Probus---Alexandria---Eagle

Ex-M&R September 1993
Ex-Keith Emmett Collection
Probus---Alexandria---Eagle

Ex-Olympus Coins February 1992
Ex-Keith Emmett Collection
Probus---Alexandria---Eagle
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 Posted 02/05/2024  04:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have now submitted the new coin to RPC Online and it is going to be included in a future publication on the Alexandrian series.
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I do like the Alexandrian eagle coin reverses and have a Probus year 2 and a year 5 in the collection, with a year 3 on the way. The year 3 coin has the Emmett 3981 type reverse. Needless to say I found this information regarding the Probus eagle coins to be extremely interesting, thanks for sharing. It has added another dimension to these coins for me.
Probus---Alexandria---Eagle
Probus. Tetradrachm. Alexandria. 277-278 AD.
Obverse: Laureate cuirassed bust right. Obverse Inscription: Α Κ Μ ΑVΡ ΠΡΟΒΟC CΕΒ. Reverse: Eagle standing right , head turned left holding wreath in beak. L Β (regnal year 2). Billon. Diameter: 21 mm. Weight: 8.6 gr.
Reference: Sear #: 12122 var.(regnal year); Dattari 5548; BMCG 2425; Koln 3121; Milne 4517
Probus---Alexandria---Eagle
Probus. Tetradrachm. Alexandria. 279-280 AD.
Obverse: Laureate cuirassed bust right. Obverse Inscription: Α Κ Μ ΑVΡ ΠΡΟΒΟC CΕΒ. Reverse: Eagle standing right , head turned left holding wreath in beak. L E (regnal year 5). Billon. Diameter: 19 mm. Weight: 7.6 gr.
Reference: Sear #: 12122 var.(regnal year); Dattari 5548; BMCG 2425; Koln 3121; Milne 4517

I do have one other Probus coin from Alexandria, it has the Elpis (Spes) reverse.
Probus---Alexandria---Eagle
Probus. Tetradrachm. Alexandria. 277-278 AD
Obverse: Laureate cuirassed bust right. Obverse Inscription: Α Κ Μ ΑVΡ ΠΡΟΒΟC CΕΒ. Reverse: Elpis advancing left holding flower and lifting skirt. L B (regnal year 2) Billon. Diameter: 21 mm. Weight: 7.9 gr
Reference: Sear #: 12121 var.(regnal year); Dattari 5532; BMCG 2416; Köln 3124; Milne 4514

Congratulations on having the new coin accepted into the RPC Alexandrian database.

Jim
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Nice to see an Elpis.

I have a couple:-

Year 1 is slightly scarcer

Obv:- A K M AVP PROBOC CEB, Laureate cuirassed bust right
Rev:- Elpis (Spes) standing left, holding flower and raising skirt.
Minted in Alexandria, Egypt. Year 1. (A over L in left field)
Reference:- Milne 4514. Emmett 3987(1) R2. Curtis -. Dattari 5532

9.00 gms

Probus---Alexandria---Eagle

Obv:- A K M AVP PROBOC CEB, Laureate cuirassed bust right
Rev:- Elpis (Spes) standing left, holding flower and raising skirt.
Minted in Alexandria, Egypt. Year 2. (B over L in left field)
Reference:- Milne 4531. Emmett 3987(2) R1. Curtis 1881. BMC 2417.

7.56 gms

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