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Help For Attribution Commodus Denarius

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 Posted 02/07/2024  08:03 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add pastpost to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Dear friends,
Please help me to attribute the Commodus Denarius Rome mint.
I can not find in RIC the Commodus denarius with obverse legend: COMM ANTON AVG PIVS BRIT, laureate head right.
PM TR P VIIII IMP VII COS IIII P P, Annona standing left, holding a statuette (of Spes?) and cornucopiae, modius with four corn ears to left, ship's prow to right. ANN in ex. The nearest coin is RICIII 95
Thanks in advance.

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 Posted 02/08/2024  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You could check acsearch.info and Wildwinds.com. There are similar examples but I did not look for exact match.
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 Posted 02/08/2024  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
RIC 106 reverse; possibly a mule with a different obverse.



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 Posted 02/09/2024  04:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pastpost to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@livingwater,paralyse.Many thaks for your replies. It's really may be a mule or barbarian immitation,or may be non-official issue... The obverse legend (M)COMM ANTON AVG PIVS BRIT is quite rare on Commodus denarius.
There's no similar denarius at acsearch or Wildwinds.com. Unfortunately I can only check in RIC catalogue. May be somebody could check the denarius in other catalogues of Roman coins. I would be very grateful.
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 Posted 02/09/2024  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reverse types known for pairing with that legend:

Mars
Roma
Genius
Victory
Emperor
Modius w/corn ears

I don't see it being imitative (limes or fourree or otherwise), the style is too accurate

Obverse die is very nearly a match for RIC 93a

This might be a pairing of the 93a obverse / 95 reverse (or 105 reverse)
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 Posted 02/10/2024  06:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pastpost to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@paralyse-Thanks for reply. I think the same way .It might be the denarius pairing of the two different issues.
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 Posted 02/10/2024  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pastpost to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found denarius with the same legend but not the same die.
https://www.ma-shops.com/hoehn/item.php?id=16995
So, it means that this type of Commodus denarius were struck but not included in roman coins catalogues?
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 Posted 02/10/2024  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could be an example of "Not in RIC" - but we can deduce that your coin probably was struck around the same time period as the similar coins in RIC, so it would be presumably listed around there.

There are dozens of types of Commodus denarii and it's fairly likely that some are out there that haven't been catalogued yet.

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 Posted 02/10/2024  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pastpost to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with your arguments.Thank you for the discussion.
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