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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
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@ns, so that I can learn, can you please explain what is going on at one o'clock or so on the reverse. I'm seeing two die crack, which may meet somewhere in the middle of OF, perhaps making that section a pre-cud. However, there seems to be a defect on the rim right there, which is either a coincidence or part of the strike. Can you please shed a little light on what you think is going on at the rim? Thx.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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@Spence, I am not an expert in the series like someone like @westcoin is, but in my lay opinion, I don't think the crack and the notch in the rim are related, even though they are in the same vicinity. A die cracked to the rim would show a raised line where the chop appears to be. It is either a planchet flaw or perhaps damage, intentional or unintentional. Maybe others can weigh in.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Definitely a couple dies cracks, and like Spence stated, looks to be a pre Cud. Now is there movement in that pre Cud part of the die causing the small separation in the rim or just a well placed circulation hit, I don't know. |
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To me the most interesting thing is that, in the throes of the Civil War, workers at the mint decided to issue a, never before issued, new denomination of coinage with the first appearance of the "In God We Trust" motto. It is an acknowledgement that the horrors of the conflict were leading people to hold fast to their faith to get them through those trying times. I love coins that have a connection to important times in our history and the motto seems so appropriate in reflecting what was going on at that time. Regardless of the fact that the 2 cent coin was likely as popular as the 2 dollar bill is today, if people even knew that this coinage existed.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Nice coin! MS.
Errers and Varietys.
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Looking the reverse rim again, I think we can tell that the die was cracked and broken at the rim. If you look at the rim where the gap is, you can see that the thickness of the inner rim suddenly and abruptly gets thinner to the right of the gap, perhaps to about half the width. There is an outer rim where the metal is higher, thinner and constrained by the collar. That outer thin rim does not have a gap. Only the inner rim which is pressed down by the die and the line of denticles show a gap. If the gap was due to a hit or intentional damage post-mint it would not make sense for the higher outer rim to be completely unaffected. As a result, it seems unlikely that this was a hit or intentional damage but rather a planchet flaw coupled with a broken die.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I love coins that have a connection to important times in our history and the motto seems so appropriate in reflecting what was going on at that time. Yes great point. Sorry for sidetracking the conversation a bit. This is a great example of a classic coin. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Looks like a broken die on the reverse rim right where the die crack ends.
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Thanks for all of your helpful comments. @Spence, you didn't derail anything. It's always a pleasure to talk coins with you.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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looks like a die crack to me. I'm at MS63BN not enough red there for an RB designation. at MS63BN the price is pretty much market value.
side note: Large Motto
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Looks like a die break. Looks MS RB. 63 is my best guess.
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new photos show the surfaces better. I can't get it to 64 with those surfaces. still at MS63RB
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