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jpsned Pillar of the Community United States 2200 Posts	Posted 02/19/2024 08:27 am Real or fake? Fake. Value? About a plugged nickel. Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 04/18/2025 12:12 am My apologies for reviving and old thread. Quote: As others have mentioned, there are many, many, many reasons why this is an obvious fake. But as a PSA to others, my first advice is always the same: Look at the rims --- no draped bust coin can have a raised rim! Except the 1804 dollar, Quote: The rim is formed by a closed collar strike, which was not introduced until 1827/1828. Tons of fakes have a rim like this, and it is a dead giveaway that it is not genuine. The 1804 dollars were struck in 1834 and later in 1858 and they WERE struck in close collars. (But the coin in this thread IS fake,) Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 04/18/2025 12:57 am This is true. Below is the Stickney specimen Class I 1804 dollar struck in 1834. It clearly has an upset rim struck in a closed collar. These differ from the coins struck at the Mint through 1804. Mint records show that 19,570 1804 dollars were struck, but historians believe that the Mint records refer to coins minted in that year, regardless of the date struck onto those coins. That record is believed to refer to business strikes dated 1803, struck in 1804. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 188213 Posts	Posted 04/18/2025 10:40 am Quote: My apologies for reviving and old thread. Never a problem when value is added. Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
thq Pillar of the Community United States 3343 Posts	Posted 04/25/2025 2:37 pm I had an epiphany this morning and realized that in 1804 the US had emptied its Treasury on a downpayment to buy Louisiana. They would have spent $10 million just to get New Orleans, but Iowa and Missouri (and a few others) were thrown in for an extra $5 million. There was no silver left to make dollars. It took till 1823 to pay off the 6% bonds. I also saw another expensive bad fake. As the seller says, iconic and no returns. https://www.ebay.com/itm/3166448124...+hair+dollar "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire Edited by thq 04/25/2025 2:43 pm Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 188213 Posts	Posted 04/25/2025 2:54 pm Quote: I had an epiphany this morning and realized that in 1804 the US had emptied its Treasury on a downpayment to buy Louisiana. They would have spent $10 million just to get New Orleans, but Iowa and Missouri (and a few others) were thrown in for an extra $5 million. There was no silver left to make dollars. It took till 1823 to pay off the 6% bonds. Very interesting. Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
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