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 Posted 03/03/2024  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It has occurred to me that there 2 times in British history (probably more in the very early times) that there were major changes in the coinage of the British Empire. I had for a long time been thinking that there was only one (in1660) when King Charles II changed from hammered to milled coin. But the second Was when Queen Elizabeth II changed from the 'old system' (not sure what it is called)in 1971 to the Decimalized system. it is now called "Decimal Day 1971".
My plan is to have at least one each from every king and queen - I had included the change over from hammered to milled, but not the Elizabethan change over. So today, I was going through my hoard of British coins, and found a fairly nice 2 Shillings coin to go with my 2 pounds coin to show THAT change as well.

a bit of history can be found in a PCGS page:
Decimal Day 1971: How Great Britain Transitioned to Decimalized Money
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 Posted 03/03/2024  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The usual term for the milled coinage prior to decimalisation in 1971 is just "pre-decimal", or more accurately "£sd" (pounds, shillings and pence).
There are a couple of other "Great recoinages" in recent British history - the first by Isaac Newton as master of the mint in the early 1700s. This was an attempt to counter the mass counterfeiting of previous coinage and huge quantities of older coins, including hammered, were melted down to be re-issued in a less fakeable form. (It pains me to think of how many beautiful old coins were destroyed at this time!)
The same process happened again in 1816 for similar reasons and also because there had been a hiatus in the issue of new coins during the Napoleonic wars.
So those give you two more changeovers to think about!
The other way to expand your collecting range is to aim for the different portraits of each monarch. Most have had some major change during their reign - for Victoria there are at least 4 major changes, and numerous minor variation. Elizabeth II was on her fifth version (I think) when she died.
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 Posted 03/03/2024  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice adds, Dearborn.
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 Posted 03/03/2024  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again Paddy for your insight. I knew there were other changes, but didn't know where to start to find out what they were.
as for going for each portrait of each ruler, that would be a huge task - one I don't think I'm up for (Yet)
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 Posted 03/04/2024  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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a Few more for today
Fantastic!

I enjoyed the history discussion as well.
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Regarding decimalization:

Britain tried for over 100 years to go decimal. In 1849, they took the first step, introducing the florin, at two shillings or 1/10th of a pound. The goal at the time was to use the florin as a springboard to gradually replace all the other minor coinages with decimal-fractions-of-pounds equivalents. However, they made a fatal error: the original design of the florin included a flaw - it lacked any mention of God, in the traditional Latin legends "Dei gratia" and "fidei defensor". The Godless Florin of 1849 was a P.R. disaster and public flop; the design had to be replaced with the hyper-traditional "gothic florin" in 1851, and the powers-that-be lost appetite for forcing further rapid coinage reform.

In 1887, Britain attempted the next step, in introducing the Double Florin - 4 shillings, or 2/10ths of a pound. This coin too was a flop, mainly for the same reason that the 20 cent coin in the US was a flop: it was too close in size to an already-popular already-circulating coin. It was nicknamed the "barmaid's ruin" because it was constantly being confused for a crown (5 shillings), with anyone getting confused losing a whole shilling. The double florin is one of the shortest series of any British coins, lasting just four years (1887-1890). Britain took no further steps toward decimalization until the 1960s.

Finally, the date of Decimal Day: Monday 15th February. This was not a random date. It was chosen because the economic wisdom of the day said that mid-February was the best time of year to implement a coinage reform: everyone would be back at work after the Christmas break, but the busy Easter trading period had not yet begun. Obviously, Valentine's Day was not of major economic significance in Britain back in the 1960s, or this would not have been true. Putting it on a Monday would mean being able to have the entire weekend to ship the new coins around the country while most businesses were closed. This same logic had previously seen Australia's transition to decimal currency occur smoothly on Monday 14th February 1966.
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This same logic had previously seen Australia's transition to decimal currency occur smoothly on Monday 14th February 1966.

Yes it went very smooth....except I still can't get that advertising jingle (to the tune of Click Go The Shears) out of my head....
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 Posted 03/06/2024  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice purchase, Dearborn!
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Now here is a proper Edward II 1 penny in AU condition.
Very nice!
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I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out that Edward II penny came out of an English garden bed. I have heard of many ladies getting their gardens ready for spring planting and uncovering coins like these.

A really neat bit of history and a details coin I'd be happy to have in my own collection.
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