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What you have, would appear to be a doubled working hub and there will be several different die pairs, this is not a doubled die. The listings 002, 003 and 004, on VV are doubled working hubs too. I have added the VV listing to show what I was referring to. VV http://varietyvista.com/01a%20LC%20...201954-S.htm-makecents-
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03/06/2024 09:06 am
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If you pull up doubleddie.com, they were obviously delisted because of this, the listings are no longer there. coppercoins has not delisted them yet but more than likely will, with time.
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That's why the correct nomenclature you use is important and also giving us a link to what you are referring to or we don't know.... VV is DDO or VDO. doubled die is WDDO. cc is 1DO. -makecents-
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Makecents nailed it.
Errers and Varietys.
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I'm curious if there is any evidence these are doubled working hubs? If it were true then there would be multiple dies extant for each of the " DDO"s listed on VV. Contact me for photographic equipment or visit my home page at: http://macrocoins.com |
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Quote:I'm curious if there is any evidence these are doubled working hubs? If it were true then there would be multiple dies extant for each of the " DDO"s listed on VV. VV lists them as WHO, not DDO. The listings that used to exist on Wexler have been taken away, thus the listing numbers but no listing. The two things, combined, lead me to believe they both have found enough evidence to delist them and more than likely, cc will follow, as they run across more "like" doubling but having different die markers, which is a sign of a doubled hub, as opposed to a doubled die. -makecents-
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Ray, if you want, I can reach out to Doc and see if he is the one that delisted them on doubleddie and get his reasoning. Just let me know. As two of the major attributers no longer have them listed as doubled dies, I just surmised what I stated above.
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Ahh, I only saw that they still call them DDO on the main page. I missed the WHO designation within each listing. I'm not sure that I agree with the WHO conclusion if what they are saying is that a single working hub was used to create all 3 of the " DDO" dies. The offset of the doubling is different on each of the dies, but I'd expect it to be the same. Now, I could buy there were three different working hubs, each with a different offset, as long as there were multiple dies extant made from each hub. Unfortunately I don't own examples of all 3 of these " DDO"s, so can't make an overlay comparison myself. I suppose I could do an informal overlay between the pictures on VV. As a minimum this should have been done to convince the attributors they were from the same hub, but as I said they don't really look to me like they were. |
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I made an animation showing the 3 DDO/WHO listings on VV. It is very clear, to my eyes at least, that these were not from the same working hub.  Contact me for photographic equipment or visit my home page at: http://macrocoins.com |
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You're too fast for me, Ray. I was doing a side by side comparison myself. I do see what you are saying. Maybe polishing, between the working hub down through the working die? I know the shape and size of RPMs will occur too, through different stages of a die, maybe something to do with that? I do not have a good answer. They are extremely similar though. Maybe Tanner from doubleddie can chime in and give us his thoughts.  -makecents-
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hmm. I think I'll wait for the movie to come out on this one...  |
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@Dearborn: "hmm. I think I'll wait for the movie to come out on this one... " That's a good one!  And rmpsrpms great animation! And to both (rmpsrpms & -makecents-) thanks for the information. Ya learn something new every day on this forum  |
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The listings that used to exist on Wexler have been taken away, thus the listing numbers but no listing. Not true, the 1954-S 1c listings are just incomplete on doubleddie.com. Photos and info are still being put together. I scanned the physical photos for WDDO-003 just last year and it is one of these doubled 4s. They are still considered DDOs in the Wexler files as far as I know. This is definitely a question for Griffin though, I had no idea CONECA considered these a DWHO and I don't have as much experience with these. FWIW I'd expect there to have been more dies listed by now if it were a DWHO. |
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Alrighty then. Thank you, sir! Doubled die is still in play. As to your question then, gros, I have no clue.... A doubled hub would have made sense of it. -makecents-
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