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Raw 1897 Inidian Head Penny About The Condition

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Hello! I checked this coin and didn't find many problems except the traces I circle out.

Would these affect grading? What do you think.

Bought it for $13.9, which I think is a good price.


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 Posted 03/09/2024  04:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow I just knew this new branch forum! Thanks~
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Four full diamonds, so I'd say AU-55, but that dark arc on the lower left obverse detracts.
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EF45. 3 diamonds is all I see (sorry, Coinfrog!) - separation of band from hair; no luster. The reverse has environmental damage and would prevent the coin from straight grading at a TPG.

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AU details ( PMD) most likely due to improper storage over the years
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 Posted 03/09/2024  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say AU.
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Looks like environmental damage for sure. Details, EF 40-45 sound about right.
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AU details, environmental damage. The obverse nics are not the issue.
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The "missing" diamond is not the high point of the ribbon - I think it's all there, just smushed.
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I've just receieved this coin, here are some clear pics, will these slight green substance matter?


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i stand behind my original assessment on this one and i'll to that that someone attempted to remove the verdigris and clean the coin up and you can see some corrosion/pitting between the N and E in ONE

i can't see this coin going straight even if it had a verdichem dip. looks like the original skin was removed. an AU+ coin should not be dull in nature. could it be lighting? sure, especially since the original photos didnt show this. so the question is...which set of photos looks like it does in hand?
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@panzaldi
here are some more pics of the rev

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I'm still at AU details, environmental damage on he reverse.
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Au details

This is a problem coin.

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no doubt that the coin was cleaned

AU details (cleaned/PMD)
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