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 Posted 03/29/2024  09:22 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add WalterS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi, I have a problem identifying a "possible" coin, but couldn't find any information about it. Do any of you guys know, what that might be?

From the lettering it seems to be "Brav ich mich recht om arge list got wer ist wol wer der rechne rist".

Diameter: 26mm
Weight: 3.96g


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 Posted 03/29/2024  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Seeker_101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no expert but it seems to be some sort of medal. Here is the translation from german (thanks to google translate): "Well, I've got a good list of who's doing the math"
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 Posted 03/29/2024  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The winged figure is the classical personification of Fame (Fama), with two trumpets, just in case she wasn't loud enough with just one trumpet.

The language on the reverse is indeed German, but the abbreviations and slightly archaic spellings are throwing off Google Translate.

The correct phrasing in modern German would be "Brauch mich recht ohne arge List, Gott weiß wohl wer der Rechner ist", a little poetic couplet which translates to "Use me right without bad tricks, God knows who the reckoner is".

I would assume, from the inscription, that it's a rechenpfenning or jeton of some kind - but not a typical Nuremberg jeton as it lacks the typical indicator of manufacturer from that city. I'd interpret the inscription as a plea to not be shifty and try to spend the jeton as an actual coin - because it's not an actual coin and is not intended to be used as money. Because, you know, God's watching you.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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 Posted 03/30/2024  05:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WalterS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you guys for the help with identification.

@Sap great interpretation, although I'm still wondering what might be the purpose of creating such jetons.

Because of the lack of information online, we probably can only guess, what period and region it might be from. In my opinion it looks like some German state, 16-17th century thing.
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 Posted 03/30/2024  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jetons or "rechenpfennigs" (reckoning tokens) were originally used on counting-boards or "exchequers", which were functionally similar to an abacus only they were flat on a table rather than beads strung out on a frame. The tables were usually chequered gaming tables, hence the name. Counting-boards were needed in the days when (a) computers hadn't been invented yet, (b) Western or "Arabic" numerals hadn't been adopted yet and everybody had to try to do complex mathematics using Roman numerals, and (c) the monetary system was both complicated and non-decimal in nature.

Once these conditions were no longer met and counting-boards became obsolete except in the case of some anachronistic titles - the British government's treasurer is still called "chancellor of the exchequer" despite not actually using an exchequer any more - the jeton-makers wished to find other purposes for their jetons, and so turned to card games and similar games of chance. Packs of playing cards would usually be sold with a little bundle of tokens, either for score-keeping or for use in play-gambling (since actual gambling for money was usually illegal, but gambling for tokens was not). And if the players chose to match up the winnings with actual cash some time after the game was over, well, giving money away to friends wasn't illegal either.

This particular jeton might fall in that period between the decline of counting-boards and the rise of gambling tokens - as the token itself seems to denounce any nefarious or immoral usage of itself.
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Excellent background @Sap!
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