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I am terrible at grading this series and trying to get better at it. I won this coin for cheap at an auction. Would you consider this coin G- or VG- details?

Before anyone asks why I bid on it, I believe it is the 3 1/2 leg variety. As always, I appreciate your help (even with my poor pictures)


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 Posted 04/21/2024  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say Good.
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you are not alone in grading this series. we had one member who was very knowledgeable about these (fortcollins) giving excellent assessments. it helped a lot of members understand the series better. the biggest issue with them was die swapping and die polishing. every year and mint require knowledge about how the coin was handled and minted.

with that said I look at a couple of devices to help narrow down the possible grade other than the typical horn and tail. there are more than I have listed below but these are key areas I look at. I'm not convinced that TPG's get this deep into them to grade them properly.

sharpness of the following areas

OBV
1. top of the feathers where they cross
2. rachis completeness
3. separation of feather 1 from the back of the head
4. hair braid at the top of the head
5. separation of the center of the braid tie
6. rim definition

REV
1. sharpness of the letters
2. tip of tail
3. rear hock sharpness (this can be weak due to die polishing)

strike related issues
1. separation of back fur from body
2. fur on top of head
3. back fur
4. sharpness of lettering

based on these I tend to grade them a little higher than what you typically would by just using something like photograde or ASA grading

heres what I see

OBV
feather 1 rachis is nearly complete and fairly sharp at the bottom
feather tips have some separation though not fully rounded
top of hair still has separation and some detail
partial separation of braid tie
some roundness of cheek is still there
date area, and rim near LIBERTY shows quite a bit of flatness some due to strike

REV
lettering sharp
rear legs sharply defined
heavy front leg die polishing
tip of tail still shows some separation against the body
hair on head die polishing

i doubt anyone except me would call the overall look of the coin plus my assessments above an VF25 or even a 30 coin. I can still see the tail split on this one

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Maybe, but I'd say it's just worth VG money.
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Maybe, but I'd say it's just worth VG money.


you may be correct CF most folks would look at this coin and see a G/VG coin for value. such a crazy series and one reason I never bought raw buffs I only pulled what I found in circulation

what do you think about my assessment? am I way off in what I look at?
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I can't get above VG-8 on this one. Looks like some uneven wear resulting from strike issues.
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I'm not saying a TPG would grade it that high, thats what I would call it. I'm betting they wouldnt even grade it above VG
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When I look at this coin I see Fine details, cleaned, obv scratch.
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i have to agree with paralyse on the cleaning. missed that. I was so involved at assessing the grade I didnt see that.
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When I mentioned G- VG- details. I meant to imply that I thought the coin was going to have a Details grade. Should have been clearer.
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Looks like it would straight grade.
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