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 Posted 04/20/2024  1:47 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add richst to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi All,

I am trying to decide what to do with my 1877 Indian Head. I would appreciate some feedback on grade, the effect of the environmental damage on the reverse, and who to send it to for slab. Thanks in advance.

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 Posted 04/20/2024  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin rejector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Even in low grades, an 1877 commands a premium. If authentic, I'd send it into PCGS, but.... wait for the real pros advice.
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Not much at all you can do about the environmental damage. It will "details" the coin no matter what.

As far as slabbing goes, I'd go with ANACS as it would be the most cost effective way of verifying authenticity.

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Agree with @westernsky. Might go EF details (ED).



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I'll say EF details, ED. ANACS is the cheapest to get coins graded.
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Thanks. Going with EF details grade, how do you figure the market value?
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I agree with above. At reputable auction like Greatcollections this coin could open bid at $1,000.00 costing you no listing fee or sellers fee, coins like this usually fetch about 65% of actual book value due to the reverse damage. Whats important is it be authenticated and given a details grade.
For $39.00 ANACS will grade and ship back to you in 5 days if your in no hurry 15 days for $29.00. Shipping and insurance will set you back approximately $30 x2.
Expect a 2 month wait and about $150 all in costs with PCGS or NGC and the likelihood of no higher return at auction than what it would bring in an ANACS holder. Coins like this are desirable even damaged from watching these I think the coin would probably go for $1,200 due to the awesome obverse.
Why isn't this coin already certified? I'm a contrarion and the only time I've seen VF+ unslabbed 1877 Cents was because they were cast fakes. I've bought a cast 1869 fake that had inconveniently placed environmental damage like yours...not saying yours is but raw is one of the red flags any collector will scrutinize.
I think its authentic but could be wrong? If you want to sell it for what its worth it has to be certified and your going to have to wait for that and the 3 weeks for it to list at auction and 30 days for check. Take it to a dealer and expect a lowball $400 - 500 offer at best.
I'm out on collecting Indian cents but that don't mean I don't slavitate over any 1877 in VF+ your coin has more good going on than bad don't let anyone blow smoke on you with this coin its a scarce coin in this grade. Finally if you need fast money David Lawrence Rare Coins is an option their fair fast and honest and will offer you their top offer the first time no haggling I have sold to them and received very fair money.
A strong wise suggestion when mailing: take numerous pics of coin, pics of the package, insure for minimum $1, 000, send Registered USPS with signature required. Its expensive but not as expensive as USPS saying "sorry we deliverd it too bad so sad".
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Thanks!
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EF details, environmental damage.
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Damaged coins usually sell for around 50 - 60% of book value, the more severe the damage the less desirable. Cleaned coins usually bring 65 % and lightly almost unnoticeable cleaned coins can bring 70 - 80% of book value. Theres no set rule other than experience buying and selling you buy and sell enough you catch on what their value is. The damage to your coin hurts its value but does not condem it to trash pile due to its scarcity I'm calling it for what I see and I see an 11 hundred dollar penny at auction if its certified authentic XF Details at VF Details probably 900.
These coins are not difficult to buy straight grade their available but at a premium likely in the $2,000 + range at XF that makes your coin an easy sell to any hasty knee-jerk collector who desires an XF 1877 at half the money, a true high end Indian collector won't be intrested but there's more main street collectors than Wall Street.
Do some research spend 20 bucks on Richard Snows 3rd edition "Guide Book of Flying Eagle and Indian Head cents" go to PCGS Coinfacts and study values and past auction sales. ebay past auction sells are also helpful. Do you have any intrest in coin collecting? If you do then take your time with this coin you may regret selling it if you catch the Indian Head cent bug. Its the key date the big kahuna the nick name for the 1877 is "The King" read up on it the more you learn about Indian Head cents the less likely you may be in selling it.
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I always think, why would someone with a fat wallet pay this kind of money when a few hundred dollars more buys a pristine example?
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From what I have read here, ANACS is as good as PCGS for details coins. I tried to get more info from a back and forth with PCGS, esp why they charge so high a fee, and they stopped returning my emails!
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Have to agree, that ED is certainly "inconviently placed".
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The N in ONE on the reverse does not exhibit the diagnostic lower strike weakness. The ED in the same area may be why it looks questionable. I agree with XF Details - Environmental Damage.
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Let us know how it grades when it comes back.
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i don't slab but the coin needs authenticated to sell it. I would be bet that PCGS might call it Genuine without assigning a grade. NGC and ANACS are more apt to call it details/damaged and assign a grade

due to the possible value of this coin these fees may be a little higher. if you slab it, maybe repost so we can see what a TPG says

PCGS charges a minimum of $69 for a subscription other subscription levels include grading vouchers though so you could reduce these costs. add to the subscription cost, per coin grading cost which I think for this one might be $22, shipping & ins both ways (1-4 coins is $27 if the total value is under $1000)

NGC - economy grading tier is $23, plus $10 handling fee, plus $28 for shipping (1-5 coins).

ANACS grading would be $16 but there's a 5 coin minimum. Shipping would be $29-35.



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