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Is This A Roman Coin Or A Replica (Id: Likely Fake Hadrian Denarius)

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 Posted 05/09/2024  07:59 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mrv to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

Please can anyone tell me, if the following is a real coin or a replica, I think it's, a replica but I can't see any markings confirming this.

Thank you in advance


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 Posted 05/09/2024  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Difficult to say if it's genuine or not. Looks like Hadrian with Salus reverse. I not sure if it's an AE bronze or very toned dirty silver denarius.

You could measure it more precisely with a caliper and weigh it. The size and weight would help a lot to identify it as being a denarius or larger bronze coin like an asserion. If your measuring tape is in centimeters on the bottom then that would mean it's silver denarius size.

Compare it to Hadrian/Salus examples on sites like ascearch.info, coinarchives.com.

There were some bronze coins of Hadrian made on the edges of the empire that imitated the silver coins, some call them limes denarii. I don't know much about them. Here is one I saw on acsearch.info.

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 Posted 05/09/2024  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it's a replica, it's well done indeed.
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 Posted 05/09/2024  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainmandrake1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Might be a Hadrian denarius with the goddess Salus and her snake.
Looks a little like this one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2345238239...gad_source=1
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 Posted 05/09/2024  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jecz79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Missing flow lines and other details. False patina and wax disguising casting defects. Seems a replica made to deceive collectors.
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 Posted 05/10/2024  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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wax


Thx for mentioning the wax @jec as I was wondering why it was laid on so heavily on a silver coin.
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 Posted 05/10/2024  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I did not notice the light areas as suspicious until I zoomed in just now. It does look like wax, good call, in my opinion cast fake.
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 Posted 05/10/2024  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Impossible to determine with any certainty by photos alone
I see no serious problems with it but the fakes are getting better all the time !
50/50
Not terribly valuable so not really worth great efforts to verify
You might show it to a dealer at a local coin show and ask for an opinion
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 Posted 05/10/2024  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add travelcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm with FVRIVS, but I'd say 70/30 on the side of authentic. Pics of the edges would help.
The encrustations are hard to fake. Soak it in distilled water with a bit of lemon juice and use a toothbrush (might need several soaks). It might clean up nicely and you will be able to see if it is in fact a silver denarius or a limes denarius. Also, if that encrustation is still there, I'd say it's authentic.

The wax might be a bad attempt at preservation.


Here is my Augustus denarius with a similar encrustation that is extremely difficult to remove.

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 Posted 05/14/2024  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jecz79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The patina is totally fake. Is shows cleared around the relief areas in the reverse. If genuine the coin would have had to be all cleaned then regain patina but somehow miss those spots. But it has that false dirt in some spots there so it was not cleaned. That dark thing is not natural oxidized silver. I think it is paint.

The flan cracks in the edge look shallow. Rust can be applied to coins. The incrustations can be faked. Forgers really paint their coins some times. And looks like some paste of ash the obverse to hide the typical casting defects near the relief areas.

Because it looks dirty does not mean it is genuine. I am almost sure this is a disguised cast fake. But would need to see it in hand. Examine the cracks and teh edge.
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 Posted 06/02/2024  04:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for the replies. I have attached some photos the edge, so hopefully it can help confirm if it's a fake.

Thank you


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 Posted 06/03/2024  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jecz79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I still cannot say from those photos. A sharp photo of the edge with the crack in the flan could help. Examine the cracks and see if they look natural or an incomplete cast reproduction. A cast can not reproduce the fine cracks or the surface of the stressed silver. But cast defects can be disguised with dirk. O the crack can have real corrosion products inside.

I can say I have a demarius found in a hoard, with silver corrosion products still in the surface. It looks nothing like what is in this obverse of this one.
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