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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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Hi, Please can anyone tell me, if the following is a real coin or a replica, I think it's, a replica but I can't see any markings confirming this. Thank you in advance  
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Difficult to say if it's genuine or not. Looks like Hadrian with Salus reverse. I not sure if it's an AE bronze or very toned dirty silver denarius. You could measure it more precisely with a caliper and weigh it. The size and weight would help a lot to identify it as being a denarius or larger bronze coin like an asserion. If your measuring tape is in centimeters on the bottom then that would mean it's silver denarius size. Compare it to Hadrian/Salus examples on sites like ascearch.info, coinarchives.com. There were some bronze coins of Hadrian made on the edges of the empire that imitated the silver coins, some call them limes denarii. I don't know much about them. Here is one I saw on acsearch.info. 
Edited by livingwater 05/09/2024 11:25 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If it's a replica, it's well done indeed.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
Portugal
655 Posts |
Missing flow lines and other details. False patina and wax disguising casting defects. Seems a replica made to deceive collectors.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: wax Thx for mentioning the wax @jec as I was wondering why it was laid on so heavily on a silver coin.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I did not notice the light areas as suspicious until I zoomed in just now. It does look like wax, good call, in my opinion cast fake.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Impossible to determine with any certainty by photos alone I see no serious problems with it but the fakes are getting better all the time ! 50/50 Not terribly valuable so not really worth great efforts to verify You might show it to a dealer at a local coin show and ask for an opinion
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm with FVRIVS, but I'd say 70/30 on the side of authentic. Pics of the edges would help. The encrustations are hard to fake. Soak it in distilled water with a bit of lemon juice and use a toothbrush (might need several soaks). It might clean up nicely and you will be able to see if it is in fact a silver denarius or a limes denarius. Also, if that encrustation is still there, I'd say it's authentic. The wax might be a bad attempt at preservation.  Here is my Augustus denarius with a similar encrustation that is extremely difficult to remove. 
Edited by travelcoin 05/10/2024 8:27 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Portugal
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The patina is totally fake. Is shows cleared around the relief areas in the reverse. If genuine the coin would have had to be all cleaned then regain patina but somehow miss those spots. But it has that false dirt in some spots there so it was not cleaned. That dark thing is not natural oxidized silver. I think it is paint.
The flan cracks in the edge look shallow. Rust can be applied to coins. The incrustations can be faked. Forgers really paint their coins some times. And looks like some paste of ash the obverse to hide the typical casting defects near the relief areas.
Because it looks dirty does not mean it is genuine. I am almost sure this is a disguised cast fake. But would need to see it in hand. Examine the cracks and teh edge.
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Valued Member
 United Kingdom
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Thank you all for the replies. I have attached some photos the edge, so hopefully it can help confirm if it's a fake. Thank you   
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Pillar of the Community
Portugal
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I still cannot say from those photos. A sharp photo of the edge with the crack in the flan could help. Examine the cracks and see if they look natural or an incomplete cast reproduction. A cast can not reproduce the fine cracks or the surface of the stressed silver. But cast defects can be disguised with dirk. O the crack can have real corrosion products inside.
I can say I have a demarius found in a hoard, with silver corrosion products still in the surface. It looks nothing like what is in this obverse of this one.
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