1797 Large Cent-S-134 But Is This A Gripped Edge?

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roach Valued Member United States 364 Posts	Posted 05/25/2024 09:11 am For 1797 Large Cents ----Gripped edge ---NGC and PCGS list this for ONLY the 1797 Reverse of 1795 cents ---Are these the only ones that can have a gripped edge? The pictures I can find of Gripped edges seem like they are just crude marks in the edge. I have a 1797 Cent (clearly an S-134)that has some "marks" on much of the edge, some look a little like dentils, some like the gripped edge marks, and if I stare at them long enough (LOL) , even like symbols/letters much like half dollars of the period. It could just be impurities in the planchet plu my imagination....Anyone have any thoughts? Report this Post to the Staff

roach Valued Member United States 364 Posts	Posted 05/25/2024 09:12 am here is the OBV/Rev...... Report this Post to the Staff
roach Valued Member United States 364 Posts	Posted 06/07/2024 9:23 pm doing this for a bump of the subject and to provide an update. So I sent it in to NGC and just listed it as a normal 1797 large cent (gave no indication that I though it was a gripped edge) and there initial cataloging designates it a Gripped Edge....its is definitely an s-134 , and PCGS info says that ALL gripped edge 1797 cents are one of two Sheldon numbers S-120b and S-121b.....here is NGC's initial submission log .... Report this Post to the Staff
Oldgrouchyguy Pillar of the Community United States 632 Posts	Posted 06/08/2024 08:44 am Something happened at the Upsetting Mill, just not "Gripping"... Report this Post to the Staff
roach Valued Member United States 364 Posts	Posted 06/08/2024 12:27 pm What do you think could have happened? It is around the entire edge..... Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96771 Posts	Posted 06/08/2024 1:09 pm I never heard of a 'gripped edge' before. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Sharks Pillar of the Community Canada 1766 Posts	Posted 06/08/2024 2:10 pm Glad I'm not the only one. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96771 Posts	Posted 06/08/2024 9:26 pm Quote: Glad I'm not the only one. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Oldgrouchyguy Pillar of the Community United States 632 Posts	Posted 06/15/2024 1:27 pm roach: or maybe it the planchet was supplied from Birmingham, it was one of those meant for somewhere else, and in something of a thinner stock. It obviously was upset where it was punched. I did have a 1798 S-176 (ex-Reynolds) overstruck on a British druid 1/2d token; the Mint-struck host was obviously from an English source. I also had an 1811 Bust Half, with partial edge lettering. The blank part had a few punctures, which led me to think part of the Castaing machine edge-lettering function failed. If it were an adjustable/removable rail, then it fell off... Edited by Oldgrouchyguy 06/15/2024 9:22 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Oldgrouchyguy Pillar of the Community United States 632 Posts	Posted 06/28/2024 6:56 pm Roach: Well, well, well look at what I found on the edge of my newly-discovered 1797 S-136 Last One Struck. I honestly thought that this was struck in 1798, as I had not seen this type of a rounded edge on a foreign-supplied planchet for a 1797... I think that we have proven a new edge type: the Boxed Edge. It's undeniably "there". Edited by Oldgrouchyguy 06/28/2024 7:09 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Oldgrouchyguy Pillar of the Community United States 632 Posts	Posted 07/01/2024 12:50 pm Would others please check their examples of 1797 and early 1798 Large Cents, for similar edge boxing? There may be partial, or intermittent boxing. Thank you. Edited by Oldgrouchyguy 07/01/2024 12:52 pm Report this Post to the Staff
jacrispies Pillar of the Community United States 3848 Posts	Posted 07/01/2024 8:13 pm Roach, that does not look like a gripped edge, mainly because of the spacing between the reeds and the depths the reeds were placed into. If your coin was worn down as it is, the deeply impressed reeds would still be very observable. As it sits, it is questionable which is why I would pass it off as a non-gripped edge. For everyone who is not familiar with the gripped edge, read your RedBook. Oldgrouchyguy, are you saying your edge is squared off? Your coin clearly went through severe PMD as both the obverse and reverse were crushed flat. The edge was spooned with a hammer. Not a new edge discovery. - For fun, here is the S-79 Rarity-7 with the infamous reeded edge that was Dr. Sheldon's personal pocket piece! This is an obverse brockage, hence the mirrored image of Miss Liberty and the remaining obverse design elements. The reeded edge is not the same as the gripped edge, but a fun coin regardless. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955 Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. Edited by jacrispies 07/01/2024 8:14 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Oldgrouchyguy Pillar of the Community United States 632 Posts	Posted 07/01/2024 10:58 pm jacrispies: ooo those are nice pictures of the S-79! On mine, the boxes appear in a flat spot; otherwise the edge reminds me of 1798 stock: slightly convex, rounded (there is also a wire edge on the reverse above STAT). Heritage notes a boxed edge in their write-up of a S-121a sold last January. In light of that information, just a crazy thought: Since the boxing is known on the edge of a few varieties, maybe the Mint received a shipment of such planchets, and the Gripping is a response to that, by again passing the planchets through the milling process to erase that type of edge? At least a couple have escaped being struck by the S-120 die marriage... Crazy thought #2: maybe the Reeded Edge was meant to change the edge on TALs that were being considered for Large Cent stock?The Mint had purchased 1/2 ton of them, and they were already being cut down for Half Cent use https://coins.ha.com/itm/large-cent...ption-071515 Edited by Oldgrouchyguy 07/02/2024 12:24 am Report this Post to the Staff
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