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Need Some Help Determining Whether This Roman Denarius Is Authentic Or Not.

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 Posted 06/05/2024  8:55 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CrownOfCreation to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all,

This is my first post here. I'm only reaching out since I am at a dead end with this coin. I got it in a lot of real AE Roman coins, and since I know very little about silver coins I have not been able to determine its authenticity. I have reached out to other forums with no luck.

It is a Domitian coin. Based on my cheap scale (without decimal points) it weighs 4 grams. It has a diameter of 19mm as well. Thank you in advance.
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 Posted 06/05/2024  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@crow, first welcome to CCF. Second, any chance of you adding an edge picture? It will be hard to keep much in focus, but it could be helpful for us. Thx.
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 Posted 06/05/2024  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CrownOfCreation to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the response. I have attached a couple of images that will hopefully help.
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 Posted 06/05/2024  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see any obvious signs of it being counterfeit. You could look at the fakes photos below and also on Forgery Network to see if there's a match.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/
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 Posted 06/05/2024  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not really seeing anything wrong with it.
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 Posted 06/06/2024  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At first glance I see nothing wrong
Or should I say nothing shouts !
But ..
First impressions can be deceptive

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That face does not look right
In fact the eye is
I am at a loss for words

I am not liking it !
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 Posted 06/06/2024  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CrownOfCreation to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps the mould was poor for when this coin was made (assuming it is real)? Hence the facial differences?
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 Posted 06/06/2024  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@crown, I believe these denarii were struck rather than cast and so yes the porous surfaces are a potential issue. However, a lot can happen to a small disc of metal over 2000 years, so it isn't conclusive. I asked to see the edge as that can show a parting line (or obliteration of a parting line) on fakes. This edge looks fine to me though.

I'm interested to see where we net out on this one.
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 Posted 06/06/2024  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CrownOfCreation to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That makes sense, different elements definitely have to be considered before reaching any conclusions. This is already more feedback than I have received elsewhere so it helps. I'd also like to see where this goes.
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 Posted 06/06/2024  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The more I look at it .
The more comical it appears
I have seen some rather unintelligent looking portraits of Domitian
But this one really takes the cake !
Count me as dubious
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 Posted 06/07/2024  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just some other eye examples from past auction houses for reference:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=10090884

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8163133

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 Posted 06/07/2024  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CrownOfCreation to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is definitely some variation. That being said, does the one I have come off as being suspicious or rather a product of multiple factors?
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 Posted 06/07/2024  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jecz79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is not a modern struck fake. If it is fake it is a cast and the style should be that of a genuine coin. Can not tell from the photos if it is genuine or not. But I do not see any obvious problem.

I think that any oddity in the face is just a result of bad conservation.

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 Posted 06/08/2024  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let's compare a worn Minerva of Domitian
In all fairness it's the first worn one I found online and comes from the British Museum
So I think we can safely assume it to be genuine
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Now compare this to our 'mystery' guest
Tiny air bubbles can leave empty pockets or pits
The C in COS is not very pretty .
Minerva shows no low lying areas where normal wear and tear would leave some details
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IMHO
Cheap East European knockoff casting
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 Posted 06/08/2024  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CrownOfCreation to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I did notice the "C" looked off...
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