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We see nice deniers and pennies here now and then, for instance in the "How Far Back Can We Go" threads. However, the Medieval ones, which can not be dated to a single year, never show up there. EddieDiz shows marvelous Hungarian denars in his personal threads; I don't think there is anything similar for other nations. Quite often they show up in posts asking for identification - but the ones we do know what they are, where should we post those?

So I think there is room for a thread where we can post deniers and pennies (and denars, pfennige, etc), in general, and here it is!

RULES:
I am thinking European coins, Medieval to early Modern time, so a couple of delimitations and exclusions:
- French (and other) deniers, Italian denari, Spanish dineros and Noven, Hungarian denars, Serbian dinara, English (and other) pennies and sceattas, German pfennige, Dutch penningen and Scandinavian dittos - and any others with similar names - are all fine. Hellers are in scope if dating to before 1385 AD and the Sicilian Terzo/Tercius is accepted as an "honorary Denier".
- No multiples or fractions though. Only single deniers/pennies. No doubles, no obols, or Polish Solidi. Both petit Deniers and Schwaren/Heavy Pfennigge are ok.
- From the period CE 600-1700 is fine, before and after are outside the scope.
- Consequently, no Roman denarii and no modern coins.
- Silver, billon, or copper, all welcome.
- Islamic golden dinars - no, they are a different coin (and would outshine the European silver and billon). They certainly merit their own thread.
- Drachms (Sasanian and others) and dirhems - no, they have evolved directly from the Greek drachm and belong to another branch of coinage.
- Russian Dengas are no for the same reason.
- Both the örtug and the Hvid are out of scope for this thread.
- And, finally, it is not an identification thread, you should know what it is you post (issuer and time, to the degree that it is known). If you need an ID, it is more effective to start a separate thread.

Red text has been added to this post as the thread has evolved.

So, a minimum of information is where it originates (domain and, if known, ruler) and time period when it was issued. Additional information, like interpretation of legends and any history associated with the coin is welcome, but in no way required.

To get us started, here is my first denier for the thread:

Denier tournois, France, 1245-1270, Louis IX. Billon. 0.92 g, 18 mm.



Obverse: LVDOVICVS REX (King Louis).
Reverse: TVRONVS CIVIS (City of Tours). Châtel tournois (Castle of Tours).

A common style for French late Medieval deniers. Tours is not necessarily the mint, it refers to the Tours standard for deniers.
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@era, this is a fun idea for a thread. Just a point of clarification though, I understand no Dinars, but how about Drachms?
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Will this also include United Kingdom pennies too?
No, but only because the United Kingdom (and indeed Great Britain) was formed after 1700 so out of scope.

I have a fourpence from England dated in the 1690s but no single penny (did want to get one of those tiny silver pennies but never saw one within budget). I'll have to check what I do have that qualifies. A few Hungarians for sure.
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Well I meant coins from that Island - I realize that it was not united at that point in time. I have a few 'English' pennies from the 1100-1200 era.
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OK, found a non-Hungarian coin from my collection that counted - and it's a neat coin!


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Serbian dinara
I'm sure all the other categories would show up here eventually, but this is a sufficiently tricky one that I want to get in early...



Despotate of Serbia (1402-59)
Djuradj (George) Brankovic (1427-56)
AR dinar (13 mm, ~0.5 grams - should be more but maybe my coin got clipped)
Obverse: monogram of Djuradj within circle of dots, Cyrillic legend around ("Sir Despot")
Reverse: lion rampant left within circle of dots, stars around
Jovanovic 42-21, Numista 188256
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Just a point of clarification though, I understand no Dinars, but how about Drachms?

Good point, Spence. I take it that you are thinking of for instance Sasanian drachms? The way I understand it, those drachms (and Islamic dirhems) have developed from the Greek drachm. I think the denier too can trace its origin back to the Greek drachm, via the denarius of the Roman Republic, which probably had the drachm as a prototype. Still, I see them as different branches of coinage and would like to focus on the denier branch. So no, drachms will have to go elsewhere . . . (I have edited the rules to reflect that.)

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Will this also include United Kingdom pennies [coins from that island] too?

Yes, British (and Irish) pennies are welcome, I look forward to seeing them!

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Despotate of Serbia (1402-59)

Thank you for being the first to contribute, january1may! A neat coin, indeed!
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Here is a French feudal denier, the dating of which is rather approximate.

Denier, Archbishopric of Lyon, ca 1200-1260. Silver, 1.14 g, 18 mm.



Obverse: PRIMA SEDES (First See). Crucifix shaped L, symbolizing the Archbishopric of Lyon.
Reverse: GALLIARVM (of Gaul).

The inscription Prima Sedes Galliarum, that is, First See of Gaul (or Principal See of Gaul) was used on the feudal/archbishoprical coins of Lyon from the end of the 11th century until 1375.
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Ok thx for the clarification @era. I think that this French Merovingien Denier (ca. 700-710 AD and minted for Nemfidius in Marseille) is my earliest coin to fit the criteria for this thread.


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Those are very fine examples! I'll get to posting up some of mine a bit later in the day.
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Nice examples!
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So here is my first silver penny
1310-1314 Edward II of England
1.36g, 18mm, Hammered
Obverse:
Legend around crowned facing portrait within inner beaded circle.
Note: #1028; with angular back (until 15b), N with well-marked serifs (late)
Script: Latin (uncial)
Lettering: + EDWA R ANGL DNS HYB
Lettering (regular font): + EDWA R ANGL DNS HYB
Unabridged legend: Edwardus Rex Angliae Dominus Hiberniae
Translation: Edward King of England Lord of Ireland

Reverse:
Long cross pattée, trefoil of pellets in angles, mint name around.
Script: Latin (uncial)
Lettering: CIVI TAS LON DON
Lettering (regular font): CIVI TAS LON DON
Translation: City of London

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Very nice, Dearborn!
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Salzburg 1 pfennig, Leonhard von Keutschach, dated 1515

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