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2015-P Jefferson Nickel, WDDR-009 Early Die State, Or Uncataloged.

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Temporarily throwing in the towel on this particular nickel.

2015 was a sparse year for jolted DDR listings, and WDDR-009 is the only entry that seems reasonably close. However, -009 lists only one marker, and I don't think it is present on this coin.

I might have an earlier die state for WDDR-009, but given that the doubled feature is tiny and not very unique, this could just as easily be a new uncataloged DDR.

One strike against a -009 match is that particular DDR seems to be a west-east doubling of the door post. My axial photo shows this might be a north-south doubling of the door lintel.

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2015-P listings: https://www2.briansvarietycoins.com...tings/cat/65

2015-P WDDR-009 : https://www2.briansvarietycoins.com...gs/view/1733
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Snapped a pic with the magnifier for the files, and now I'm back to feeling like it's more likely to be WDDR-009. I think the feature is a well defined contact mark and then a softer trailing edge. The LED light and magnifier only pick up the thicker part, which makes it look squared off. The axial box helps to bring up the longer, softer metal mark.

The LED and magnifier is much closer to what the microscope images on BVC/Wexler present.

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And then on the other hand, there is a well defined hard edge below my feature, indicating that the line runs left-to-right. The hardest line on -009 is the right edge, implying the feature runs top-to-bottom. Also, since the scales are hard to match precisely, it seems like maybe -009 is taller than my coin feature.

Such are the challenges of identifying these modern nickel DDR features. Sometimes it's a slam dunk for a match, and other times, you can be visibly similar without matching markers, or off in the weeds about the technical points.
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Looks like a match to me, nice find!

Edit: I stand corrected. Still a nice find still.
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Don't think that's a match. The doubled portion extends further south on -009 than on yours.
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I don't think its a match. Might be a new DDR.

I would like to like to mention that in the photo of the full reverse the doubling appears to be about 1/4 the width of the door while in the closeups its about half that. Although on the first closeup I can see something that makes it the same width as the full reverse photo. Its just very feint. So I think there is a bolder section with an equally long feinter trailing section toward the center of the top of the door.
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Nice find!
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I think this discussion has cemented my thinking into the new DDR camp. The doubling is too dissimilar to WDDR-009. Thanks for the help, guys. I will set this one aside for the less-likely submission pile.


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I would like to like to mention that in the photo of the full reverse the doubling appears to be about 1/4 the width of the door while in the closeups its about half that. Although on the first closeup I can see something that makes it the same width as the full reverse photo. Its just very feint. So I think there is a bolder section with an equally long feinter trailing section toward the center of the top of the door.

Yes. That is not uncommon with the jolted type DDRs on nickels. It probably has something to do with the convex shape to the die blank. Many listings in the Wexler catalog show a very strong mark on one end that eventually tapers into nothing. Due to light scatter and other factors, the magnifier is not particularly good at picking up faint rises or depressions in the coin metal. The axial setup, on the other hand, really amplifies faint features that might not be visible to the naked eye.


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Usually you also include a nice close up of the doubling - can you do that this time as well?

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