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1943 Steel Cent Rim To Rim Die Break/ Bisecting Die Cracks?

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I was wondering if I could get some help with a diagnosis for this steel cent. Is it a split die or something else? There are cracks and a clash on the reverse and a small clash on the obverse. The clashing may have interfered with the cracks making it tougher to see whats going on. Photos aren't that good because of my cheap phone but if you could provide any info it would be appreciated
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 Posted 08/25/2024  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tacc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You really should post clear Full images of Obverse & Reverse, especially if asking about a die clash.
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Full obverse and reverse images would be nice.
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The die crack does not run all the way across the coin. Might be a die clash between CE.
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Files were too large so I'm trying to downsize them now. Pixlr only allowed for a few photos to edit per day. Here are the other ones I was able to download
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https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...-be-dem.html
This article says median split dies are frequently interrupted in the middle. I'm guessing maybe it's radial die cracks. I'm not sure how much difference between the two that's why I am asking for help with the diagnosis. I won't be able to upload the full reverse until tomorrow because I couldn't downsize the file. I had to cut the pictures in half to get them to 300
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Lots of interesting die cracks, that's all I see,
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I tried to upload more pictures but I think I'll have to wait until tomorrow to use pixlr
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I'm not sure but I'm leaning towards a split die of some sort. There are more than one type or explanation of a split die if I'm understanding the article correctly. It does specifically mention that split dies often do not meet in the middle. This coin meets that criteria but it may or may not be wide enough to be what we normally call a split die. I could be wrong but I don't think these are just your average die cracks. This die was almost shattered. There are at least four die cracks. North South East and West. The one going north and south are opposing which is one diagnostic of a split die. I could be wrong but I have not seen something similar which was not called a split die
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There is a crack from the e in united that goes to the a of America that you cannot see from the angle of the first picture. The only part you cannot see well is from the e in cent to the e in united. That's where the die clash is the strongest. There may or may not be something there but technically it does not matter because that happens frequently with split dies. The article in the link explains it better than I can
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I'm not sure if radial die cracks alone would keep this from being a split die. I think it was Cuds on coins where I read that it has to be .5MM wide to be a split die but there are some thin looking ones listed also. I don't know that's why I'm asking
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Im using the wrong term. What I meant is rim to rim die cracks not split die. Almost the same thing but not the same thing. I'll fix the title
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1943-Steel-Cent-Rim-To-Rim-Die-Break/-Bisecting-Die-Cracks?
If the crack between the two e's was present before the clash and then the dies clashed could that make the crack harder to see or disappear?
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