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1972 Eisenhower Dollar DDO-003 (X4).

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Found in an Ike hoard. All four coins show the same structures. The only 1972 $1 DDO with split serifs is DDO-003.

You can see splits on the lower right serifs of ERTY. The 1 of the date has a split serif. Letter distortion is also present on the lower left feet of IN and TR.

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Most likely a Master Die doubling.
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Nice find!
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Well, found three more of these in the final block of 1972 Eisenhowers. I would be interested to hear why they might be master die doubling. The 1 would seem to be a credible candidate for a doubled working hub, as that appears on a large number of coins.
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So this is the 1972 Philadelphia coin then correct?
http://www.varietyvista.com/13%20Ei...2PDDO003.htm

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IGWT, correct. The DDO-003 is listed on Variety Vista and CONECA.

Chase, you are going to have to spell it out for me. All the Wexler page says for 1972 is two empty DDO listings that might have been delisted. That DDR listing references a doubled master die but provides no details. The only information I found is on the main Ike page, and it doesn't spell out the years or mints involved in obverse master doubling. I don't own the book discussed (obviously), but perhaps someone here does?

Anybody want to take a stab at values on these coins? I found none in the ebay sales history.
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Anybody want to take a stab at values on these coins?


I suppose the best way to know is to put it up for the market to price it at the completed sale.
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In my observation, that's a real risk on ebay for thinly traded varieties. I have seen plenty of coins sell for way below their sensible value in a 7 day auction starting at $1. Collectors probably don't wake up thinking, "Today is the day that I need an obscure minor Ike dollar DDO."

Conversely, a Buy It Now listing is a do-or-die proposition. If you price it way too low, you miss out. Price it too high, people won't even bother negotiating.

I guess the advantage here is that I have multiple chances to get it right. I'm thinking maybe $20 for a nice MS/AU example with Make An Offer open, auto-reject below $10. Just to see what happens.
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Yes, it is indeed risky. Even if you could set a BIN price to some published value, you run the same risks associated with who is or is not in the market for that particular coin at that particular time.


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I guess the advantage here is that I have multiple chances to get it right. I'm thinking maybe $20 for a nice MS/AU example with Make An Offer open, auto-reject below $10. Just to see what happens.
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@Brandmeister, I think you'll find your answer spelled out here:

https://www.ikegroup.info/?page_id=237
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Thanks, that is a very thorough and informative article. Even though the main discussion was about the peg-leg R, the section on 1 doubling was quite good. I think that establishes the 1 split serif as some form of MD/WH doubling with many potential causes.

Regarding the splits on ERTY above, I did not find anything in that article to dispute that this is a genuine doubled die. That article was analyzing the 1972 Denver DDO-003, which has a faint split on the long leg of the R. The short leg of the R is the peg-leg under dispute in the analysis. This coin is an example of the 1972 Philadelphia DDO-003. It has a fully formed and normal serif on the R. The splits demonstrated above seem quite sharp and well defined compared to examples of hub doubling. Perhaps I missed something in the article—there was a great deal of information presented—so I will read it again tonight. Thanks for the link!
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