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1968 S Major Doubling

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I found this one tonight, It has very strong doubling on the nose, chin, chest, forehead, date and mintmark along with some letters of the motto, but I don't see any on Liberty.
I honestly took 50 pictures but the coin is WAAAYYYY too shiny, so sorry if the pictures have glares. So is this Machine Doubling or a double die
-thanks for any help!
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/...img1451v.jpg
Date
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Nose/Chin/Chest/Forehead
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Motto
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05/14/2009 12:11 am
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Hi,
It is all Machine Doubling probably caused by a die that was loose.

Thanks,
Bill
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 Posted 05/14/2009  09:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add huntsman53 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Bill, that it is Machine Doubling! Keep looking, there are a few Doubled Die's known for the Date and Mint.


Frank

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Without even looking at the images the description alone says Machine Doubling. Why? Because the date and mintmark are doubled. This does not happen with doubled dies because the mintmark was added by hand after the design on the die was finished.
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Why? Because the date and mintmark are doubled.


Chuck, are there no (found) instances of an RPM on a doubled die?
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dang it, another dissappointment.. oh well, atleast now I know about the mintmark rule, when did they stop doing them by hand?
oh and atleast this is a good example of Machine Doubling right?
thanks for the help & replies guys!
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dang it, another dissappointment.. oh well, atleast now I know about the mintmark rule, when did they stop doing them by hand?
oh and atleast this is a good example of Machine Doubling right?
thanks for the help & replies guys!
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I don't know about an RPM but you can have a doubled die on the date and Mechanical Doubling on the mintmark. The key is the doubling on the two should be different. It is highly unlikely you would get both hub doubling and either a RPM or MDD in the same direction and magnitude.
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It is highly unlikely you would get both hub doubling and either a RPM or MDD in the same direction and magnitude.


I understand, but Chuck said he didn't even need to look at the pics.
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That's because the doubling on the date and mintmark were mentioned in a single pass without mention that they were different in any way, and this is on a 1968 cent - the single most machine doubled year in all Lincoln cents. 2 + 2 = 4.

Yes, it is possible to have a doubled die and repunched mintmark on the same coin - they do exist. In all cases I know of, the repunched mintmark is obviously different and unrelated to the hub doubling found elsewhere on the coin.

It is also possible to have a doubled die on which the mintmark is machine doubled...and it's also likely there will be related Machine Doubling elsewhere too, causing a shelf on the doubled die. That wasn't mentioned either.

In almost all cases (over 9,900 out of 10,000) when a collector mentions doubling on the date, mintmark, and other areas (especially the profile - another dead give away), the result has been Machine Doubling and nothing else. It is generally quite safe to assume that's what they have.
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Chuck, as always, I appreciate the detailed info...

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 Posted 05/15/2009  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cole317 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just got another exactly like it, pretty funny that theyre so abundant
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 Posted 05/16/2009  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add huntsman53 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cole,

1968, 1969 and 1970, were bad years for the San Francisco Mint when it came to "Business Strike" Cents with Machine Doubling and also to a lesser extent, the Proof Cents as well!


Frank

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