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Grading This 1937 Canada Silver Dollar

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 Posted 05/15/2009  11:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,
I would like to ask all of you for an honest try to grade this Dollar.
thank you
HHB

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 Posted 05/15/2009  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS61 or MS62?
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 Posted 05/15/2009  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsnmore2007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm gonna say high AU...
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 Posted 05/16/2009  12:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

hoped for higher.....
but I think I have to give in..
thanks guys
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 Posted 05/16/2009  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dollar1948 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry High AU as well...That slash across his throat just killed it's chance for a MS. Theres tons of luster left however and the detail on his hair is outstanding.its a shame,.
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 Posted 05/16/2009  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adanak44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU at the most.Sorry.
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 Posted 05/16/2009  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good morning all,
RE both silver dollars
It is obvious that the 38 is the better coin.

There was an underlying reason why I put these two silver dollars up for grading.
Having seen how some of you are honestly top graders,I must ask the following questions:

1 do you expect a MS 62 coin to have some small problems?

2 if yes, do you expect a MS 64 coin to have also smaller problems

3 and if yes here, what do you expect of a MS65 coin?

I see comments like (NO offense here , I really appreciat it): less wear and tear, marks on the rims, AU at the most and probably others will come.
However, did you actually think about your comments in detail? Wear and tear implies the coin having been in circulation, which it was. So, where does UNC or MS come into play?
Theoretically that would only leave a grade of AU. Right? Theoretically....
NOW, I purposely put up high definition pictures, scanned at 1200 PPI.
I could have scanned it at 150 or less!!, like 98% of others do.
Difference would have been that you ALL would have graded it higher. YES higher!!
Why? Because you do NOT see every detail and you are automatically assuming, or at least hope,the rest of the coin is exactly what you see on the low end scan. , A high end coin. The fields and reflections, everything, on a low end scan show up perfectly, white reflective, but when you enlarge... it goes blurry..
BUT now you see every minute detail.and I mean every detail.
Had I used my Canon G10 (14.7 MP) to take these pix,or scanned at 3600 PPI, the details would be even greater, and with it MORE devastating. I might just do it for comparism later today. There you would see EVERY tiny dust speckle. and all this would affect your ability to apply a proper grade, as these things influence your grading mind in a negative way, at least subconscious. And Voila. the grade goes down.
If you hold the coin in your hands it is a 64 (hope for better. did say hope) and the 1937 a 62-63. However, just because you NOW saw all the things you do not want... it goes down.
Please, this is not criticism, just be objective and think about it.
I will, after I come back from the market, do pix with the camera, raw at 14 Megapixels....the details will blow you away...
HHB
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 Posted 05/16/2009  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adanak44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
3 and if yes here, what do you expect of a MS65 coin?

That is why MS65 so hard to come by and scarce. The small problems should happened inside the mint(Bag mark/lines) not from the circulation. If you don't like the answer why ask?
I don't think pixel is the problem for our forum members they look at images and coins everyday.
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 Posted 05/16/2009  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Adanak.. you are
and you have not answered the questions...and I never said I did not like the answers. Obviously you did not read all the other posts about grading ansd pictures...and pixels and properties in fact do matter. you are not exactly correct...
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 Posted 05/16/2009  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a few MS62 Dollar coins of about the same vintage (graded by ICCS), that look virtually identical to your 1937 Dollar coin, so the possible grade of MS62 (note that ICCS does not give a grade of MS61). As for what to look for - progressively fewer bag marks or major marks (your coin has a few major marks on the reverse). At MS 65, the overall coin will have at best, few visible minor bag marks.
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 Posted 05/19/2009  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Colhand1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can appreciate what you are saying. When you are looking at a coin to grade, should you use a 5X or a 10X magnifier? In my opinion, you should use the 5X as the 10X will reveal too many imperfections that of course you will grade it lower. I think too that is what you are implying, that the better the photo the lower the grade. I too thought that the coin would grade an AU but with a smaller photo and less detail and sometimes the angle of the coin in the light can all improve the quality. If a coin is going to have marks from other coins, just hope they are in areas that are not that noticeable as coins I have had graded by the grading companies, seem to zero in on how well they are noticed.
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