Garding This 1938 Canada Silver Dollar

MS63?

I think that this dollar and your 1937 have both been graded ms64 and you are demonstrating the inconsistency of TPG grading.Just a hunch.

I agree..MS60/61.
Less wear and tear on the coin than the 37

Good morning all,
RE both silver dollars
It is obvious that the 38 is the better coin.

There was an underlying reason why I put these two silver dollars up for grading.
Having seen how some of you are honestly top graders,I must ask the following questions:

1 do you expect a MS 62 coin to have some small problems?

2 if yes, do you expect a MS 64 coin to have also smaller problems

3 and if yes here, what do you expect of a MS65 coin?

I see comments like (NO offense here , I really appreciat it): less wear and tear, marks on the rims, AU at the most and probably others will come.
However, did you actually think about your comments in detail? Wear and tear implies the coin having been in circulation, which it was. So, where does UNC or MS come into play?
Theoretically that would only leave a grade of AU. Right? Theoretically....
NOW, I purposely put up high definition pictures, scanned at 1200 PPI.
I could have scanned it at 150 or less!, like 98% of others do.
Difference would have been that you ALL would have graded it higher. YES higher!
Why? Because you do NOT see every detail and you are automatically assuming, or at least hope,the rest of the coin is exactly what you see on the low end scan. , A high end coin. The fields and reflections, everything, on a low end scan show up perfectly, white reflective, but when you enlarge... it goes blurry..
BUT now you see every minute detail.and I mean every detail.
Had I used my Canon G10 (14.7 MP) to take these pix,or scanned at 3600 PPI, the details would be even greater, and with it MORE devastating. I might just do it for comparism later today. There you would see EVERY tiny dust speckle. and all this would affect your ability to apply a proper grade, as these things influence your grading mind in a negative way, at least subconscious. And Voila. the grade goes down.
If you hold the coin in your hands it is a 64 (hope for better. did say hope) and the 1937 a 62-63. However, just because you NOW saw all the things you do not want... it goes down.
Please, this is not criticism, just be objective and think about it.
I will, after I come back from the market, do pix with the camera, raw at 14 Megapixels....the details will blow you away...
HHB
PS

Mornin' HHB, it's a gorgeous example of a '38 silver dollar that is underrated in my opinion. With a mere 90K minted and a whopping 200K collectors of Canadian coins out there, there must be a lot of disappointed collectors. Especially when you take into account that I.C.C.S. has a mere 1625 examples slabbed in Mintstate.
I find it hard to imagine how any Canadian silver dollars can be found in grades above MS-62 when you consider they were shipped in canvas bags to the Banks across Canada. Just imagine (please don't try this at home)placing this coin in a bag filled with other coins and give it two or three hard shakes. How could you not avoid contact marks, however, time and again we see many pristine silver dollars rated MS-65 / 66. How did these pieces keep themselves from acquiring contact marks?
My only guesstimate of this is that collectors during the specific years when these coins were issued would have had to have acquired/purchased them directly from the Mint and walked out with the piece. I don't believe these $ilver dollar coins were in rolls back then either. Congrats on your acquisition

Glenn

Thank you Glenn, you hit the nail on the head.

Pennstate:

whatever the coin will gade at , it will be.
However, my comments were more directed to Grading coin images posted here and perhap ebay in a quality that is by no means suffcient.
what I was trying to indicate is that when you see a high resolution photo, you do become more critical because suddenly you see ALL the little nicks and snacks and mini faults as if they were huge..and hence it becomes very unforgivung. The lens or scanner capture everything....
I guess what I wanted to say is: average pix at ebay and partly here are not enough to form an opinion as to proper grade,especially when it comes to upper MS coins. at best they are good for a hopeful guess. It is not so important with coins up to AU.
believe me, I know what "comes out of the woodworks, i.e. coins) when taken with high resolution.
will post both these dollars later taken with a cmaera. I bet it will be devestating....
HHB

Resolution is not real important on the internet above 3-400 DPI or so. Once you get the image to the size you need to comfortably view the coins details anything above that is, for the most part, overkill. When viewing a digital image on the internet the difference between 600 DPI and 1200 DPI is pretty much moot since 99% of people are going to view it at 96 DPI (or less) no matter what you scanned it at.