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1982 P LMC DDO, Machine Error, Or Totally Worthless?

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Hi everyone! New member and 1st posting on this wonderful site!

I have been collecting since before 1970 with a lot of time passed since I was last active. In the 1970's and 80's I spent some time searching bank penny rolls for wheat cents and came across an entire roll of shiny new 1980 P pennies. At the time, I only used a handheld 10x loupe and struggled to understand whether my eyesight had further deteriorated or whether I was seeing something that matched the published pictures of 1980 P DDO's. Fast forward to the present and I just obtained a digital microscope and revisited that old roll of pennies. Honestly, even with much better stability, magnification, and focus, I still struggle to match what I am seeing to PCGS, Variety Vista, Wexler, etc.
Could this coin could be a DDO variety not previously reported and attributed, a combo of DDO and machine error, or just worthless?

I have posted images of one coin out of the roll of fifty as an example and please note the following if you have time to help:

I have posted full images of the obverse and reverse. The reverse shows now discernable errors that I can see. Both sides of the coin have the appearance of late die stage with low details in the coin. The coins have not been cleaned or polished and are in their original state with patina aging.

The date is imaged horizontally and vertically to determine if lighting has any affect. All digits in the date show traces of what appears to be a form of doubling that is rounded and not flattened as in a machine error. The 9 appears to have an indent similar to the feathered end of an arrow and and extra curve at the end. The bottom of the 8 appears to be doubled.

The motto at the top shows doubling in the W, E, and S in Trust.

Liberty appears to have a doubling in the 1st 5 letters.

I look forward to hearing from the community!

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 Posted 01/17/2025  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does not look like a DDO. your coin shows die wear, glarred light doubling.
Here's the link to the registered DDO for 1980
http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...0PDDO001.htm
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To CCF! I see Die Deterioration Doubling, light induced doubling, and an over polished die issue. http://goccf.com/t/323932
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Thank you for the welcome and responses so far. I did give some thought to the lighting glare issue and I have looked at these coins from multiple angles and magnification levels, with bright to dim lighting, adjusted the contrast and saturation, and I got the same result no matter what I tried. I am thinking that it is simply a run of coins with Machine Doubling caused by a deteriorated die.

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I understand your pain, coin photography is not an easy task, just practice with filtering the light ,there are some tutorials here regarding coin imaging surch it thru the upper left corner of this page.
Stick around, you'll enjoy this Forum.
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Thanks. I will definitely stick around. This forum is full of great advice. I will check out the light filtering.
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to the CCF

I see Machine Doubling - not a true DDO
Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art
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to CCF.

I see lots of die polishing going on with both sides of this coin, Possibly to erase a large die clash. You may want to look for signs remaining of a possible clash. (Inside bay 3 of the reverse, I think I see a bit of it..)
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Classic case of Die Deterioration Doubling like E&V stated. Possible obverse Ridge Ring started with die polishing lines.
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Light filtering definitely looks like a potential solution to the glare. Apparently LED lighting is a problem with all USB digital microscopes with LED illumination. I am now looking for an inexpensive polarized filter that I can attach to my scope, even if I have to use duct tape. I saw a posting that claims that frosted scotch tape can be used to diffuse the light.
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Those nice shiny coins will give you trouble.
Try using tissue paper. I have multiple ones made up with different amounts of layers for different coins.
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