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Valued Member
United States
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See how a cent can speed up the common denominator; hobby lovey 
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 United States
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Quote: If the cent goes NIFC, we'll have as many NIFC denominations (cent, half, dollar) as business strikes (nickel, dime, quarter), hmmm. And when the nickel gets the boot...  Quote: If NIFC started during the 1800s, we'd still also be making Half Cents, Two Cents, trimes, Half Dismes, and lots more. If you think annual sets are expensive now, well. 
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 United States
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Quote: Honestly, I think only a tiny number of people prefer dollar coins to dollar bills. I agree. The market's choice supports this. The coin lost.  I still think if it was forced on us, we would have eventually accepted it. Canada did.  So, with the cent going away and another slot opening up in the registers... Time to kill the one dollar note and ramp up on the two? 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
541 Posts |
'Legally' pennies are fiat currency, but they are worth enough to be a commodity. People could still barter with them even if they weren't legal tender. The melt value of a zinc cent is 3/4ths of a cent. 75% of its value is better than nickel-clad coins worth about 10%-15% of their value. That isn't as good as nickels, but it is a lot more authentic than any paper bill. Also, there are still plenty of pre-1982 pennies around worth more than 2 cents. There would be no need to melt down nickels; they have a constant, determined value. Did you know that early Americans in the 1790s mostly used foreign coins for transactions? They weren't fiat currency, but it was a decent medium of exchange.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
541 Posts |
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 United States
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Quote: ...People could still barter with them even if they weren't legal tender.... I will agree and concede that if it ever comes down to that, nickels will punch well above their weight.  Maybe that is why I have been hoarding nickels? I do have more of them than 95% copper cents. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2978 Posts |
Cut the cent!
Pull the penny!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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jbuck, you want the nickel NIFC too? The NIFC bubble is going to pop eventually and, like CTOs for philately, having more collector coin denominations than business strikes might be the thing that does it. Still, that would need sensible rounding laws, and such laws don't happen fast, so killing the nickel will remain just fantasy for awhile. But, it does make me wonder what rounding laws, if any, were put into effect when the mint stopped making Half Cents. Anyone know? If they can be applied now, maybe we can kill off the dime as well while we're at it.
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 United States
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Quote: Did you know that early Americans in the 1790s mostly used foreign coins for transactions? They weren't fiat currency, but it was a decent medium of exchange. They were not fiat. They were made of precious metal. And the weights of US Federal coinage in the 1792 act is based on the "Spanish" Silver Dollar standard. The Mexican 8 reales is 27.0674g of 0.903 Silver or 24.4418g ASW. The Federal standard from the act of 1792 set the dollar at  416 gr is 26.9563g of 0.900 fine is 24.2607g ASW. https://maint.loc.gov/law/help/stat...c2s1ch16.pdf
-----Burton 50 year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, OnLine Coin Club Owned by four cats and a wife of 40 years (joined 1983)
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 United States
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Quote: jbuck, you want the nickel NIFC too? I want it to not cost $0.14 to make $0.05 coin. So, change the material or make it NIFC (and sell that $0.14 coin for $2). Quote: The NIFC bubble is going to pop eventually Maybe. As long as people buy them, the Mint can sell them. I will still buy them. I am in this to fill album holes, not pad my bottom line. If and when they stop, so will I.  Quote: ...killing the nickel will remain just fantasy for awhile. I have to agree, especially when a material change is still feasible for a circulating five cents coin. (Cannot call it a nickel, can you?) Quote: But, it does make me wonder what rounding laws, if any, were put into effect when the mint stopped making Half Cents. Anyone know? Probably none. Rounding is just math. Today, it has to be done the nearest cent for sales taxes and gasoline. I do not understand why people find rounding so complicated. They handled it back then, and they did not have computers or sophisticated point of sale terminals. This says way too much about our education system.  Quote: If they can be applied now, maybe we can kill off the dime as well while we're at it. Burn it all down. It is what the people seem to want anyway. 
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United States
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Quote: In strict legal terms, no, the president doesn't have the authority to start or stop the production of any form of money. That power lies with Congress, and this plan of Trump's requires an act of Congress to actually materialize.
That said, many of the president's recent orders have involved matters that his office doesn't have power over, like his efforts to halt congressionally approved spending. He will likely continue pushing to halt penny production, sparking resistance from the US Mint or prompting Republicans in Congress to craft a plan that aligns with his goal.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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They should bring back the Half Dime in clad.  I joke but. 
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Valued Member
United States
80 Posts |
Personally not a fan of having to buy 'circulation' coins because they don't circulate. Would rather they just end it. I could see current circulation coins lasting for quite a few years.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Would rather they just end it. I could see current circulation coins lasting for quite a few years. Perhaps, but I doubt it. Nobody wants pennies especially the stores. They will take them to the banks and round transactions. There will beno source for pennies except what the banks give their customers. Pennies will trickle into banks for years after the initial flood and will very rapidly fade from commerce, I believe. In addition to this chokepoint there will be many people who want pennies to save as mementos or nostalgia. Very few people will miss this coin. Surethere will be some who carry pennies at first to make transactions come out even but they'll soon wise up and realize it's excessive work for no gain. Some will try to come out ahead by letting stores round down while they use pennies to avoid rounding up, but if much of this occurs stores will simply refuse pennies after a few months. Keep in mind the average grocery tab is $50 and even if the store lost Two Cents on every transaction it is insignificant because pennies have had no value in many years.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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 United States
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Quote: In strict legal terms, no, the president doesn't have the authority to start or stop the production of any form of money... I have to disagree. The authority lies with the Treasury, because the law says may not must. The President can direct the Treasury, and they can comply, or not. Of course, lawyers are gonna lawyer, and judges will judge. We shall see what happens.  Quote: That said, many of the president's recent orders have involved matters that his office doesn't have power over... This is absolutely, positively 100% accurate. However, this is not the forum for that discussion.  Quote: sparking resistance from the US Mint or prompting Republicans in Congress to craft a plan that aligns with his goal. I do not see the former happening, but the latter is highly likely, in my opinion.
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