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I only have one coin of relevance to this section, the aforementioned Julius II who ruled 1503-1513.

It's not especially pretty, but it's no worse than the Numista example. It appears that, unsurprisingly, examples from this era and location do appear quite worn.

The denomination is 4 Deniers / 1 Quattrino

° IVLIVS ° II ° PONT ° MAX - Oak tree
° S • PETRVS APOSTOLV D V
Saint Peter standing facing with key in right hand, D V on sides.



Rather than the usual Papal arms on the obverse here we see an oak tree emblem - which was the symbol of the Della Rovere family (Julius II was born Giuliano della Rovere)


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Nice addition, Bacchus2!
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... we see an oak tree emblem - which was the symbol of the Della Rovere family (Julius II was born Giuliano della Rovere)

Another example of the arms of a powerful Italian family on a Papal coin (referring to your recent coin with the Medici arms). The della Rovere arms are more commonly seen on coins of the Duchy of Urbino.

My only remaining coin is also a quattrino, this one from the Piacenza mint, featuring a bust of Saint Antoninus on one side and (I think) an allegorical figure for the city on the other, the papal keys at 10:00 tipping off that it must be a papal issue. Piacenza was the farthest northwest outpost of the papal domains, but remained so only from 1521-1545, when it was combined with the Duchy of Parma as a papal fief for the Farnese family. Though it does not bear a pope's name or arms to help identify it, it is attributed to Adrian VI (1522-1523). Still the seller's photos.

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Nice addition, tdziemia.
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That's a really neat coin with lots of cool features. I really like the way the crossed keys were incorporated into the design.


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from the Piacenza mint
- for obvious reasons the first time we've seen a coin from here on this thread but great to see an example now.

That style of reclining allegorical figure is well known in roman Provincial circles


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it is attributed to Adrian VI (1522-1523)
Apparently Adrian VI was the last non Italian pope until John Paul II, coming from what is now the Netherlands.

I have a few coins left to post, 2 from the 1400's and a couple earlier than that.
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That's a really neat coin with lots of cool features. I really like the way the crossed keys were incorporated into the design.

One feature of the "early" (14th- early 16th century) Italian Papal coins is that they sometimes took a coin design of the previously-independent city, and only changed it by adding the papal keys, to show that the ruling authority had changed.
In the case illustrated below, the widely circulated 13-14th century "civic" Grosso Agontano of Ancona is the top photos (my images). The 15th century papal grosso is below it. The main design features (cross / saint) have changed very little, but the popes showed the coin is a papal issue by adding the keys above the cross, as shown with the red circles:


@Bacchus2, let's allow another day or so, in case anyone else has coins from this period to post, then please keep going with your coins moving to earlier time periods (starting Wednesday?)
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Thanks tdziemia for that extra bit of information on how the Papal States inserted their motif into pre-existing designs. Those are great examples too - definitely something to aspire to. I'll post the next one on Wednesday

Indeed, other than my next example which is very "Papal States", the earlier ones are of that more generic silver penny/ denier/ tournois/ soldo type coin that was so widely used at the time in Western Europe.that all basically fulfilled the same function.
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This is a ND (1484-1492) 4 Deniers (1 Quattrino) from Innocent VIII. The reverse shows Saint Peter and Saint Paul standing in front of a balcony.


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