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1961 D/D 1MM-059 (Possible Inverted MM?)

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1961 D/D 1MM-059 (Possible Inverted MM?)
CC- https://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln...ie_state=mds
VV- http://www.varietyvista.com/02b%20L...1DRPM059.htm

I found 4 of these 1961 D/D 1MM-059 in a BU roll.
The crossing die scratches under the first T of TRUST confirmed it for me fairly quickly.



To me, something looks off for it to be a single, regular secondary MM. I haven't been able to figure out how to do a digital overlay, but I did an "analog" version using a clear plastic window from an envelope. (I finally found a positive use for one of the monthly bills.)
Here's one of my images where I've highlighted the curves on the secondary MM. The bottom curve of the secondary MM looks like it matches the upper curve, rather than the lower left of a MM.

Here's a CopperCoins image where I've placed my analog overlay.

I know there is consensus among the attributors that this is a regular RPM. Aside from the curves not seeming to line up, the "top to bottom distance" of the secondary doesn't seem to match a normal RPM either.

Anyways, I'm hoping someone here can do a regular overlay to convince me otherwise.
Call me crazy and/or put me to pasture but this is what these tired eyes are seeing.
Thanks in advance for any help.
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Agree, very cool finds!
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I don't believe it is an inverted MM. the Two protrusion are from the secondary mint mark and is not inverted.
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Nice find!
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I always try to be in your corner, you are sharper than the average bear! Wondering whether it's even an RPM, much less an inverted RPM, as you suggest. No doubt yours is the same die as the listings but I am really not sure two of the best attributers have called this right and odd Wexler does not list it at all.... It's way too tight in my opinion, smaller that it should be, regardless of how you turn the D. Just my opinion.
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Thanks for all the replies and keeping it honest. May not be able to prove it's inverted without a regular overlay.
(And remember that there is already a "D over a Horizontal D" for this year.)

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I don't believe it is an inverted MM. the Two protrusion are from the secondary mint mark and is not inverted.

The two protrusions are similar to a lot of RPM's from this period so I agree it is at least an RPM. But the distance between the two (as Makescents stated) seem too close together and I'm seeing a slight difference to the curve to be a regular RPM.

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I always try to be in your corner, you are sharper than the average bear! .... .

Thanks, but you're giving me way too much credit. I'm more like a Boo Boo instead of a Yogi. (Wait a minute. Boo Boo was the smarter one, so maybe I am a Yogi!)


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...It's way too tight in my opinion, smaller that it should be, regardless of how you turn the D...

When you say "too tight", are you referring to the distance between the protrusions being too close together to match a regular secondary MM?
I would imagine the attributors did an overlay but maybe not.

BTW- I couldn't find many DoubledDie.com listings for 1961D RPM's. There are dozens at the other sites, so I figured they just weren't up on the site yet.

Thanks again everyone.
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I am really on the fence with this one. I can see where the protrusions are not die gouges. I think you may have a case here.
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