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New Member
Canada
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Edited by Sap
06/07/2009 12:50 am
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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G'day, and welcome: what is the weight ? yours looks like an imitation of the silver 5-lire coin shown in E-bay item 260328264598, or 160338898489. A silver 5-lire would weigh about 29 grams (haven't got my references handy: I may have to stand corrected on that). 1848 was the Year of Revolution. Yours has gobbledegook legends, so I'm wondering if it's a "token", copying a genuine coin. I have seen plenty of base metal copies of English coins, and some French coins, that are variously described as gaming tokens, brothel tokens, jetons, or play money. Interesting piece, Peter in Oz |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 Looks to be some type of token or some other imitation (maybe for a tourist?). Looking at a Krause catalog it is similar to C#22 a silver 5 lire from the Italian state of Lombardy-Venetia (which would weigh 25 grams). With that funky legend I have to agree with Peter THOMAS |
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New Member
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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G'day, file it under "Tokens & jetons" and keep it as an historic curio.
These items were put to a variety of uses.
I have a couple of French ones.
Peter in Oz
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 United States
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I also agree this is a token rather than a coin.
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New Member
Canada
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Thanks for the help guys this coin has been bothering me for years never thought I would ever know, and this is a great site. later
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Hello Jumbolie, you seem to have a very interesting 5 Lire coin going back to the German -Roman provisional empire. The M stands for the Milan/Italy mint. there is NO daubt about it.  But the big question is: did you reverse or flip your scan? or is this exactly as the coin scanned or photographed?  if it is exactly like this, it can be very expensive, as it then is reversed stamps/ dies of that year. As far as I know, there is none known. It could however be a forgery, as people even then saw value in cheating others. if it were like the pix I put up, its value would be anywhere from 150-300 Euro ( about 200-450 USD.) it is apparently KM 22.1. However, if it is a genuine reversed dies etc.... value would be much higher. I may know where you could get more info on it. here is the real thing:  |
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Australia
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Jumbolie's coin appears to be a class of imitation coin known as an "evasion" - a coin which bears a superficial similarity in design to a real coin, but which bears a garbled or nonsense legend, so that nobody (at least, nobody who could read) would be fooled into thinking it was a real coin. That way, the maker couldn't be accused of forgery.
Such evasions were sometimes used as play money or game counters, others may have been produced as a counterfeit coin, to fool the illiterate.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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New Member
Canada
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Thanks again I guess I'll use it to scratch my scratch tickets maybe it will bring me some luck lol
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Valued Member
Netherlands
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Italian newspapers in the 60's and seventies of the last century used to look for clients to put in reproductions of old coins in their weekendly issues. You could by an album with the newspaperstand for these thingies to. How to keep history alive for the kids.. Picture looks like Lombardy, but the
initials at the front and the back, which are the same, could be the initials of the newspaper which produces them. Mind you, the Spanish people are accustomed with replica coins and replica stamps with their weekend newspaper issues.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Hello,
Consulted with a German coin dealer. he suggested it is a test coin/pattern, with which the different possibilities were test-struck at the Milan mint.
he remembered these coins as very rare. Also said that perhaps every 2-3 years one of them might show up at auctions in germany. Also suggestd that , besides the final coin, they seem to be slightly different one from another. There is apparently a connection with the German Austrian Habsburg Royalties who were in involved in the Lombardy -Vnice area of Italy.
HHB
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