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Is Greased Or Dirty Dies Like This

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 Posted 04/13/2006  11:10 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add roy hall to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Look at left hand that come up out of steel that is press in coin and slips or what across coin to drum strap and the same error apears . Well grease , drity die , slippage , brakages or WHAT ? P : S Found a couison to this coin 6 or 7 years ago at Coin Show in St. Louis MO .

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 Posted 04/13/2006  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hmm I wish I knew what would have cause that, but I have never seen a coin do anything like that in the middle. Looks like someome stuck a torch to the middle and it melted or something lol. I await patientley to see what everyone else says about this one because I will learn something also here
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 Posted 04/13/2006  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morganman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My opinion is that the coin was in some kind of fire, and then was put back into circulation and just has shined up high spots...

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 Posted 04/13/2006  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add roy hall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Bryan1315 there is a little Mechanical Doubling on this coin , latter I will send better pictures wait till you see my cent I have had for 13 years now found out alot a still having fun learning . HAVE A GREAT DAY P : S I said that a mess up cent she said you want another one , no it's just a penny I glad I kept it .
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 Posted 04/13/2006  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Roy - I tend to agree that the coin looks like it was "burned". The grain on the surface coupled with the dark spots and the lumps - all look like typical fire damage. When a coin goes through a fire it can bubble up like you see here - especially a coin that is composed of layers of metal. The layers delaminate and gasses build up along the seam causing the bubble. It also appears as if someone then pounded the coin or squeezed it in a vice to flatten it enough to get it to pass. Over the years I have received several coins that look alot like this one that were called counterfeit by people trying to sell them. I suppose other causes could produce a similar effect - but I would start there and examine the coin with a binocular microscope to see if there are additional clues - especially in the area where there appears to be mechanical damage.
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 Posted 04/13/2006  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add roy hall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still why dose hand come up out of steel ? still I look at the rim of drum why is it broke ? why is flame not melted but all around it seem it would be a hot spot and why a dealer have a cousin error to this biuld up , another error supports that it might be that it biuld up in die . I haven't cleaned it , I have not tryed to sell it , just having fun researching the three reason above is why I don't buy the fire theory are torch and not out of shape on ofther side of coin "" not melted"" I'm not the sharpest tool in the shead but I have hand on veiw and I still need to learn more like if beaten down why dose hand come up and the drum is like the die moved and drum still there /? HAVE FUN IS O : K Have a great night thank you . Little Roy

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 Posted 04/14/2006  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Becky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like it was hit with something. It's post mint damage....
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Yes Becky but look at the drum and strap over drumstick, invesgation is fun with unanser questions , on the hunt to were the metal in die or coin is taking me lots of little metal shaving all over press in the coin still I don't know yet , having fun learning IT'S O:K TO HAVE FUN TOO !!!!!!! a 1982 coin was slab that had grease on it and a real dirty die, I'm following the evidence on coin then if not real O:K I'm having fun learning , Thank You Becky HAVE A GREAT DAY !!!!!
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I think a little basic chemistry is required here. The coin is composed of a layer of copper between two layers of copper-nickel alloy. There is no steel in it. Copper melts at a lower temperature than the alloy with nickel. Copper melts at 1083 degrees C. But nickel melts about 400 degrees higher. A wood fire fueled with oak (one of the hotter burning woods) can reach a temperature of about 900 to 1200 degrees C in close proximity to the combustion point. Therefore it is a simple fact that the copper center would melt before the surface would. It is also a fact that a wood fueled fire would not be hot enough to melt the copper-nickel surface layers. The expansion of the core changing to a liquid and evolution of any gasses trapped in the metal would cause a bubble to appear on the surface of the coin. At higher temperatures the Copper-nickel would approach a plastic state making it deform rather easily. When the coin cooled it would have been too distorted to pass. But of someone used a hammer to pound it out they would leave irregular surface marks just like I believe I observe here. I no longer have a woodstove or I would test my theory.
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 Posted 04/15/2006  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add roy hall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ONE OF THE BIGEST ERROR DEALER E - MAIL BACK , SAVE ON AOL , YES YES YES I'm GETTING THIS ONE SLABED wait till they look under MIC , EVERYONE HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND !!!!!!! Little Roy This E - Mail on my 1994 P Quarter in another forum MULTI STRIKE 7 TIME OR MORE OR WHAT ? First picture not hight lighted look above O under leaf next picture is high lighted look under leaf and start counting .Next picture Looks like M under wing and down to left amost invisable double leaf over from last strike leaf . THIS IS MULTI STRUCK AAA LOOK AT THE A LOT IS ON THIS COIN UNDER OFTHER POST

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 Posted 04/22/2006  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I got the coin out of Regions Bank shotgun raped roll and their ones that look they took a grinder to them.I have 2 more unopen rolls!
Theirs only 2 or 3 coins that look nice the rest have the lava flow error, die crack,without the exta metal just the shape that look like an lizard on the left side of monticello.I didnt take a torch to the coins ,why would I what to do that
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