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1865 3CN 'Date In Denticles' Or Cud In Crack?

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MrPink posted a coin and did an excellent investigation of its attributes.
1865-3CN-'Date-In-Denticles'-Or-Cud-In-Crack?

1865-3CN-'Date-In-Denticles'-Or-Cud-In-Crack?

I posted I have the same coin noted that I have it as documented in my reference as a MPD 'Date in Denticles'.

1865-3CN-'Date-In-Denticles'-Or-Cud-In-Crack?
I started questioning myself when I examined MrPinks coin wondering if it is just a Cud in a die crack.

My original example;
1865-3CN-'Date-In-Denticles'-Or-Cud-In-Crack?

1865-3CN-'Date-In-Denticles'-Or-Cud-In-Crack?

Lucky me! I found another coin, same variety, in my collection. Unfortunately, it is a later die state. It would be nice to find one in which the die crack is not there. I'm starting to think that they caused the crack by punching too close to the edge. I don't think this die was processed correctly because of all the cracks in the obverse.
New example;


1865-3CN-'Date-In-Denticles'-Or-Cud-In-Crack?

1865-3CN-'Date-In-Denticles'-Or-Cud-In-Crack?

In the following image, white and red arrows show corresponding misplaced punch areas. Appears a previous attempt failed with the date too far to the right (see orange arrow). Purple arrow remnant of flag from '5'? The Die Makers must have hated these small coins.


1865-3CN-'Date-In-Denticles'-Or-Cud-In-Crack?

Five minutes in Paintshop doesn't do it justice but I took just the highest surface of the '5' and superimposed over the suspected errant punch. It seems to fit fairly well.



1865-3CN-'Date-In-Denticles'-Or-Cud-In-Crack?
Same thing with original coin

1865-3CN-'Date-In-Denticles'-Or-Cud-In-Crack?

1865-3CN-'Date-In-Denticles'-Or-Cud-In-Crack?
Finally MrPinks coin

1865-3CN-'Date-In-Denticles'-Or-Cud-In-Crack?

Any thoughts? Is my mind playing tricks on me?
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It has certainly happened on other coins, where a punch was used to test whether the die had been sufficiently softened. The 1 in the neck Indian Head cent comes to mind.

With this being the first 75-25 Copper-Nickel coin (and thus the planchets were much harder than previously used), die hardness was a concern (and the number of die cracks shows it was not a settled issue).

Lest one forget, this was before the modern era of indirect Infrared Thermometers, and estimates of the temperature were based on visual inspection of the color of the heated die.
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Looks like a Die Crack in the denticles to me.
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Anybody seeing an obverse die clash? Or am I seeing things.
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Yes.....I see what looks like a die clash with maybe the reverse?
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Pretty strong die obverse die clash
quite a few die cracks on both sides as well.
But not sure if it is die crack and chip on the denticles or not.
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