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Artificially Toned Morgan?

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 Posted 04/16/2006  2:20 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add keh to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I've had this Morgan in my collection for a long time. I always thought it looked ugly. It doesn't look like any other toned Morgan I've seen. The toning is very dark and covers the entire coin, obverse and reverse. Does this look like it was artificially applied?

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 Posted 04/16/2006  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add demonboy279 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yes that morgan looks AT to me. The splotchiness is what tells on it
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 Posted 04/16/2006  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not all toned Morgans are Pretty,, some in fact tone quite ugly.

Toning can be the result of natural processes that are for the most part environmental,, the conditions that result in colorful toning are not the same as black ungly toning, Black toning on silver is often due to high humidity , and extreme heat or cold or both.

as for your coin, I do not see any underlaying luster,, this toning could be the result of a badly over dipped coin, retoning in a poor environment.

or the result of someones attempt at Artifically toning the coin.

From pictures it is very hard to tell.

Im leaning more toward over cleaned and poor environment .

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 Posted 04/16/2006  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would have to agree, it doesn't look like it was artificially applied but was caused by someone putting some other type of cleaning liquid and age just caused the toning after the bath in such liquid to look this way
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 Posted 04/16/2006  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Draknoor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi all, I am an Aussie collector but have a real soft spot for the Morgan dollar. I have often thought about buying a toned example but I have no idea what to look for, Some to me look heat treated and I just don't have the experience to tell a genuine toned coin, some of the colour patterns look great. Any tips on what to look for, To me the above coin looks like it has lived its life in a damp shed near some sort of chemical.
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 Posted 04/16/2006  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
first try to get and unc example that you can still see the cartwheel of luster on it and I would look for ones that have a bullseye like toning that will usually the least deceptive but I am sure there are alot of other opionions and also with any Morgan try an research the paticular year and mint ( ex. O, S CC, or Philly with no mint mark and make sure the coin for the mint and year has full strike or not some morgans appear to have wear on the Breast of the eagle and locks of hair above the ear on lady liberty, but may have not been struck completly
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 Posted 04/16/2006  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it is hard to tell what a "pretty" toned coin is, what may be beautiful to one person may be dog ugly to another. I personally do not like toned coins, I like the blast white ones with alot of cartweel. Here is a picture of a coin thats toned that I think is kind of pretty (could be better if the toning was all over)with the purples,blues,yellows and reds (also called rainbow toning) http://cgi.ebay.com/1879-s-PCGS-MS6...cmdZViewItem but how to tell a artificially toned coin from a originaly toned coin can be kind of hard especially to the novice, but one sure fire way to get one originally toned is to get one slabbed from one of the top TPG's. I dont know how to really tell AT from OT so someone else would have to help explain both to you a little better
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 Posted 04/17/2006  02:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Draknoor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for your help people, I too like the blast white but would like a toned just for the collection. Sorry for asking my question in your topic keh but I hope these answers also help with your enquiry with your morgan.
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 Posted 04/17/2006  02:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
welcome to the forum and no reason to say sorry they were just trying to get you to the right area so question could get answreed better and faster
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 Posted 04/17/2006  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thekidcollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That looks like Artificial Toning!
I tried it once, to a very very cheap, 50 fil Kuwait coin, I put Model Aeroplane Fuel on it, (My dads hobby) and lit it, after 5 mins, it sort of comming out like that.
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 Posted 04/17/2006  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add keh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the comments guys. So, the next obvious question would be, if its artificially toned, is it worthless?

In general, I guess this is why I shy away from toned coins. There are so many toned coins out there. Some look good, some look bad. But how can you tell which toned that way naturally over time and which was cooked up in someone's garage?!? I am surprised by some of the huge premiums people are paying for graded (from a TPG) toned coins on ebay.
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quote:
Originally posted by keh

Thanks for the comments guys. So, the next obvious question would be, if its artificially toned, is it worthless?

In general, I guess this is why I shy away from toned coins. There are so many toned coins out there. Some look good, some look bad. But how can you tell which toned that way naturally over time and which was cooked up in someone's garage?!? I am surprised by some of the huge premiums people are paying for graded (from a TPG) toned coins on ebay.



Moon money for toned coins is (in my opinion, of course), a speculative bubble composed of folks who care little, and know less, about the intrinsic value of a coin. Meh.

Attributing toning is a process which, done right, takes as long to learn as natural toning takes to happen. Some coins, like your example, are fairly obvious because the most likely cause of that coin's look was improper rinsing of a dip followed by overdoing the artificial toning process.

Having said that, it's conceivable that your coin is naturally toned.

See where I'm going here? Further, what constitutes "natural?" I can stick a blast white silver coin under my monitor and tone it in two months. I don't touch it, I add no chemicals or processes which aren't already occurring in my environment, and I wasn't even doing it deliberately when I found out that it happened.

Who defines "natural?"

In a recent incident that generated a lot of attention in the numismatic world, a monster toned Peace dollar slabbed by NGC was discovered to be AT, causing NGC to take a five-figure hit on their insurance coverage. The punchline to that incident is, there is no precise physical process to determine AT vs. NT. That coin might well be NT; some expert somewhere decided it was AT, so AT it is.

Except, before that, some expert somewhere decided it was NT.

See why I don't do toned coins?

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 Posted 04/21/2006  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add keh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice post SuperDave. I agree with your comments, which is why I generally shy away from toned coins.
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