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PCGS And Australian Copper Pennies / Halfpennies

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 Posted 08/08/2009  6:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
My last submission to PCGS included a couple of lovely rainbow toned half pennies and pennys from the Perth Mint in the 1950's and 60's. Collectors of Australian pre-decimal copper will know that Perth struck copper, as well as often being water stained and poorly struck occasionally shows up with rainbow toning. This can range from minor toning to simply eye popping toning. It's perfectly natural and not very common for coins from Perth to be like this.

Anyway, back to PCGS. They found a couple of the coins to be 'artificial color'. Now I know they are not, numismatists down here with decades of experience who have seen the coins I sent know they are not artificial colour. There just isn't the premium down here for rainbow toned coins so AT copper coins pretty much dont exist.

Any tips on what I should do to communicate with PCGS to educate them further? I wont bother talking about Perth copper that is full red that PCGS call red brown because that's a topic for another day.
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G'day, I'll use an Australian expression:
" TPG = WOTAM"
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 Posted 08/09/2009  02:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perth Mint bronze coins do indeed often have funky colours, which I haven't seen naturally occur in too many other bronze coin series. And I'm not surprised that the American TPGs have trouble with them; the TPGs can't employ experts in every single series that they grade (even though they are, by virtue of their business, claiming to be just such experts).

I'm left wondering just how many naturally-toned Perth Mint coins have already been submitted by US-based collectors - who wouldn't necessarily know any better - sent back bodybagged and, believing the TPG's verdict, either get thrown away or "treated" to make the toning more "market acceptable".

As for educating them, I don't think there's much you could do as an individual to impress them. Maybe if everyone who's received such a verdict on their Perth Mint coins complained, they might figure it out on their own. Perhaps sending them published articles about the phenomenon from coin magazines and journals would work? Then it's not simply your word against theirs that these colours are "normal".
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