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 Posted 08/17/2009  02:35 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add lilaznkev1n to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Check this ebay listing out.
I think it may be a scam.

http://cgi.ebay.com/RAREST-COMMEMOR...ND_W0QQitemZ a href= https://www.coincommunity.com/go/link.asp?target=https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/280385431497 target= _blank rel= nofollow 280385431497 /a QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Coins_World_RL?hash=item41484627c9&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

What are your thoughts on it?
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 Posted 08/17/2009  04:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latman100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I saw that one too and had a good laugh. Some people will try anything. This may be a strike through, and I use "may" cautiously as it looks like there has been some tampering in the date area. Sad thing is, this looks like a mule, so instead of having a coin worth $4-500, they now have a damaged coin worth not very much at all.
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 Posted 08/17/2009  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I emailed the seller yesterday to find out what was on the reverse & he/she said a picture would be added, so now we know it's a 2001 Australia's Volunteers, Making a Difference, so I doubt that it's a mule.

Like latman100 says, it 'may' be a strike through, grease or oil, but it looks like the date has been removed by something that's left a semi-circular impression. Whatever the cause, it's certainly not worth what is being asked. If anyone buys this, it'll be a novice with far more money than sense.
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 Posted 08/17/2009  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am guessing its a filled die which is causing the last A and the date to be missing. I don't know if this is a rare coin or not because I know nothing about Australian coins but this is just my guess of what happened here from what I have seen on American coinage that is missing details like this. These are not all that expensive in America but as I said I could be totally wrong but that is the only way I could thing the last A and the date would be missing like this, usually its filled with grease or something like that
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 Posted 08/17/2009  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Parklane64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks tampered with. And why show the reverse of a different uncirculated coin?
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 Posted 08/17/2009  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tampered with or a genuine die fill it's worth somewhere from $1 to $50. Certainly not what they're asking. How much does it cost to list something on ebay for that much money anyway?
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 Posted 08/17/2009  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thankyou: now I've had my morning giggle.
I think that the most likely explanation is someone with an engraving tool has removed the date, and got carried away with the "A".
Die-fill: maybe, but I'd expect to see more evidence of it, all over that side of the coin.
" Struck Through Grease": if you go through the CCF archives, this is the favoured explanation of our Seppo friends for many varieties. No other country's coins attract this explanation. I wonder how much different the methods and materials used in the U.S. Mint are: I remain skeptical ...

value ? Oz$1.00, but only if postage is paid.

What's strange, is this seller has good feedback, mostly selling recent Oz commemoratives, presumably to foreigners. His coins mostly seem to be circulated. I wonder why he wastes his time on an exercise such as this.

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 Posted 08/17/2009  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I disagree, I can clearly see where the grease or what ever was because it left the imprint on the coin (which most people are seeing but calling it contact marks where they used something to remove the date). If you look at filled dies from America you will see the exact same thing where the grease or oil is at
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 Posted 08/18/2009  12:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gawd0wns to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you think it might be a scam. It probably is.
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08/18/2009 12:06 am
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 Posted 08/18/2009  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manila galleon trade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Date could have been removed using Photoshop and without noticing it the A in Australia was included.
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 Posted 08/18/2009  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is one that is not photoshopped.
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 Posted 08/18/2009  04:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brissyboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The rarest commemorative coins are the no mintmark/counterstamp issues the RAM accidently let out at the Coin Fairs and Shows. Existance ranges from 1 to 6 depending on year - 2004 to 2007. Then there is the 2007 Sydney Harbour Bridge with the B counterstamp upside down and opposite side of reverse - only 3 of them.

Die fills could be repeatative and he says only 3 known so could be more.
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 Posted 08/18/2009  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
...second most sought after australian coin
other than the australian 1930 penny

Wow...any filled die/tampered coin is just after the 1930 1c in value?
ebay's always amusing, I see auctions just like this for US coins too.
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 Posted 08/18/2009  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How about issued by the C.H.I.N.A. rare coin-WE make it all on demand- Company.
A German guy ( on ebay selling copies there) told me straight: I can have anything made, even coins with your face on it !just give me 3 weeks...
scary...
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08/18/2009 3:13 pm
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 Posted 08/19/2009  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coincollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a scam. THE REASON THE LAST 'A' IS MISSING IS BECAUSE THE DATE HAS BEEN SANDED DOWN! when the person sanded it they probably made a little mistake and sanded off the 'A' as well. I can tell by the marks. I also have an 1858-1958 Canadian dollar that has had the entire reverse sanded off. they said it was a MULE! It was obvious it was not, but it was only a buck so I bought it (because it was old.)



and by the way, this extremely rare and valuable coin has an estimated value of nearly $1!
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08/19/2009 09:36 am
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 Posted 08/19/2009  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Even a sanded-down '58 Dollar must be worth more than a buck in melt value, no? They were silver...
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