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 Posted 08/18/2009  10:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add pixel11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

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 Posted 08/18/2009  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Right, do you see on some 1 yuan notes are the 5 red characters? Those are only for circulation in Kinmen, an island off the coast of China but disputedly claimed by Taiwan. These were the first notes issued for that region, and only in that region since it can't be used in Taiwan and regular Taiwanese notes can't be used in Kinmen. I don't really know the value of this one, but I see some on ebay. Just search kinmen yuan.

As for the other two, it's just a regular Taiwan dollar for that time. Not much history I can tell you...
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 Posted 08/18/2009  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pixel11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool. Thanks. I would never have recognized that. Sorry they're not from the mainland. ;)
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 Posted 08/19/2009  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First time I see banknotes in vertical orientation... looks great with the photos!
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 Posted 08/19/2009  01:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You, sir, have some reading to do!

The previous series had the reverse vertical. You can find those designs on the site. Also they have a new series coming out next year! The designs are already up!

http://www.snb.ch/en/iabout/cash/cu...gn_principle

Did you hear? Cory will be on the next P500 note with Ninoy!
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 Posted 08/29/2009  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hc8604 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Kinmen and Matsu... and Taiwan and a few other very small islands (I think) still controlled by the Republic of China (ROC). Tachen, was abandoned by the request of the United States.

"an island off the coast of China but disputedly claimed by Taiwan."
acutally not only Kinmen is also disputedly claimed by the People's Republic of China, but Taiwan too. Although Taiwan does have the claim to Kinmen because the ROC Army has troops stationed there, and no PLA troops.

So there were three types of overprints, Kinmen, Matsu, and Tachen. Tachen is the rarest, as by 1954 the island was abandoned and taken over by the PRC. Many banknotes were redeemed as the civilians arrived in Taiwan, thus making the banknotes very rare. Kinmen and Matsu are still in the hands of the ROC; although, up till the 1960s or 70s? the PRC stopped shelling (artillery) the islands. Today many people from the mainland visit Taiwan in the last year because of an open relation created by both leaders... but the PRC still claim Taiwan and all the possesion of the ROC. Banknotes printed today do not have overstamps of Kinmen or Matsu.

Also, there were other Chinese notes, (while the Nationalists were on the mainland) the Custom Gold Units printed by the Central Bank of China, from 1930 series to 1940, were vertical.

The blue 1 yuan 1954 note is common, but the green 1949 1 yuan Kinmen notes are harder to find than the regular issued blue note.
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I'm trying to figure out some of the identifying characteristics of the notes, and I see that there is a difference between "curvy water" notes, "straight water" notes, white paper, yellow paper, "flat 3" "curvy 3" or "without 3". What does all of that mean and how do I figure it out?
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 Posted 08/30/2009  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hc8604 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not sure... are those different note variants listed in the Krause book? I have an older version, well quite old, and I don't see it.
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Actually no - I don't have a book, I'm limited to online resources. I'm drawing from a website which I'm guessing is an auction site https://www.sinobanknote.com. I'm finding that is the only place I can get any kind of valuation on the notes. If there is another place I can go to for information I would be very grateful for the referral.
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 Posted 08/31/2009  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hc8604 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see... well just the 3 variation part. I am not sure on the rest like wavy water etc. Maybe different colored paper was used, which banknotes did you see that in? I can't find it..

I have a 1 Yuan 1954 Matsu. It lists the 3 variation a flat only. Well fortunately for me, there is a 3 in the serial number and it is flat.

I also have a 1 Yuan 1954 regular issue and it has a curved 3 in the serial.

I don't see why he did it that way.. because in the value section he lists a W/O, and if you have a banknote without a 3 in the serial, then you have a note that is worth less.

Maybe you can tell by the printing factories as some may use a different stamp than another:

Between the two above notes, the Matsu was printed by the Central Printing and has a differnt serial number font than the Bank of Taiwan Printing facility...

I have a 1949 50 cent printed by the Central Printing - Taipei and it also has a different font.

But I can't really prove that statement until I have more notes to compare with serials and printing facilities.
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I found the descriptions in the valuation area of the actual individual notes. So the Kinmen/Matsu notes were listed in the 'off shore' section. As I looked at the Yuans, the 10 Cent notes, etc. there were different characteristics listed in the column where it offered a value in TWD. The 1949 Yuan was the source of the 3s description, 1950 50 Cents had the curvy water vs. straight water and paper color, 1950 10 Cents had water and paper color, 1954 regular Taiwan Yuan had the 3 issue as well, but mine have no 3.

Yes, I agree; a few of mine have the 3 in the serial number, but it strikes me as odd because obviously any note without a 3 in the serial number would be difficult to identify if the only number used to identify that 'batch' was 3. It wouldn't necessarily make them worthless but there's no way the value could extend to notes where the '3' was several characters in (e.g., AC935...), right?

Anyway, any help you can offer in terms of how I estimate the value for this batch of notes is appreciated.
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Oh, and according to the sinonote site, the 1954 1 Yuan note above is actually not a Matsu note, but listed in the Taiwan regular 1954 series. Is that right?
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 Posted 09/03/2009  02:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hc8604 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, there is no way to tell what value of the 3 is actually worth. Unless you can connect the 3's to the printing facilities and connect it to the rest of the notes that do not have 3 in the serials. I do not know how the author of the sinobanknote website came up with the values.

It looks like water variation is the official red seals variation.

The only way I can think of the value is ebay Taiwan: https://www.ruten.com.tw or Yahoo Auction Taiwan: tw.bid.yahoo.com

The exact link to the Taiwan banknote ruten site:
http://class.ruten.com.tw/category/...000600050001
(I have been trying to gather up auction examples about the 3 variation)

I will try to find the Yahoo auction one later or you can find it through translate.google.com , my Chinese literacy is still basic so I go through the translator site to find the exact category.

As for the 1954 Matsu note, I have an example in front of me, it is the brown colored one.
http://www.sinobanknote.com/show_si...1&pick=PR119
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